296. How To Stop Overthinking And Take The Next Step

This week on the podcast I speak with Laura Aura, keynote speaker, personal growth coach and podcast host. 

In this episode Laura and I talk about:

• Building a branding agency 
• Fear in the mind
• What holds us back from taking action 
• What is the one next step rather than knowing EVERYTHING
• Subconscious thoughts running the show 
• Getting clear 

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Welcome And Podcast Purpose

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the Rochelle Christian Podcast. I'm Rochelle, your host. I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions, and live life on your terms. This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean to your power, and create a life that feels aligned and alive. We'll explore human design, astrology, and other tools to help you understand your unique energy. More importantly, though, we're gonna talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects. So each week I'm gonna share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic. So if you're ready to step up, take control, and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin. Welcome back to another episode on the podcast. This week I'm talking to Laura Aura, who is a keynote speaker and coach. For 18 plus years, uh Laura has been helping people break through resistance and take bold gutsy action. She is also a podcast host. Um, and she says if there's one thing she knows, it's that your mind can either fuel your biggest moves or keep you stuck in hesitation. Her podcast is called The Gutsy Podcasts, and she helps people break through the mind junk to trust themselves and finally go for what they actually want. And this episode was is so aligned for this new moon in Aries, and I always say it that these interviews, even though some of them happened months and months and months ago, this one happened in 2025. The timing of their release is always like divine timing. This could not be a more perfect episode for this new moon. So the new moon is happening Friday, April 17th. This episode will be coming out Thursday, April 16th. And this is a new moon in Aries. So this is all about taking action. And the shadow of Aries is in selfishness, and also there is a shadow around the fear of taking action. What is holding you back? With this new moon, we have seven planets in Aries. One of the planets being Chiron, which is conjunct Aries. So this is so much about our wounding around taking action, our fear around taking action. And with anything, when it comes to taking action, when it comes to moving through things, it's always like focusing on the next best step instead of the big, big picture of like, oh my gosh, I have to take 20 steps to get here and get here. It's like we we overthink the how and the why, and the this needs to make sense, and people have to see me as a certain way. And just like be in the human. And that's so much about what we talked about is moving through the mind junk, the mind clutter, the self-sabotage patterns that we use to hold us back. How can we support ourselves in our daily habits and routines? Whether it's just cleaning a certain room of the house every day, sweeping the floor, mopping the floor so that you're not walking through getting distracted by these little ways that we tend to self-sabotage. And yeah, it's a really powerful conversation around the themes that are coming up for this new moon in Aries. So definitely, definitely aligned. I have my north node in Aries and something that's been coming up a lot, especially around business, around taking action, around growing the podcast, promoting the podcast, calling more people in. I'm currently promoting and launching Holistic Community Design Academy that starts May 1st. And it's like, what are the little action pieces that I can take and where am I finding resistance? Laura has so many like gold nuggets inside this episode, but she asked to like at the end, we talk about she says, what matters and what needs to go? And it's so simple, like literally so simple. And I've said it before on here the pathway to healing, to growth, to whatever it is, is simple. It's always, always simple, but it's not easy, right? Health, fueling our body is simple. Real ingredients, drink enough water, get enough sleep, like the foundations, but it's not easy because we're so used to a certain lifestyle, we're so used to certain diets. We have allergies, we have intolerances built over time from XYZ things. We have ancestral like karma and and and woundings, and there's so much to it, right? But again, the foundation, the core, where we need to go to at least start is so simple. And so that's why I love, you know, in the podcast, everybody that I speak to always it's always coming back to the basics. And I think sometimes we need to hear it time and time and time again for it to really land. And especially with this, you know, Laura talks about being a keynote speaker. And it didn't start with her standing on a stage in front of a thousand people. It started with her speaking in front of a small group of people, and then you build and more people come in there and you deal with your shaky hands and your sweaty palms and your racing heart and like all those things. And the more you do it, the more you get used to it. And again, just remembering that we're all human. We are human. I've found so often when you just own your shit, when you own, like, hey guys, I'm super nervous right now, or oh my gosh, I just forgot my name. Like, give me a second. When you just like own it, it's such an empowering place to be. I was writing the new moon blog and I was recording a new moon audio and making social media content and everything. And I was sitting with this new moon and I was like, okay, I my process is that I like to do my own research, fact-find, sit with it, meditate on it, all the things before I consume information from other people. That way it's I'm coming into myself, I'm trusting myself, I'm learning the astrology, and then I'll I'll listen to a very select few astrologers that I really trust, that I really align with, and that are always so inspiring. And again, kind of going back, my north mode is in Aries, my south node is in Libra, conjunct Pluto. So there's so much deep karmic work here. This people-pleasing, external validation, all the things are really strong in my life, in my chart. And it's again really deep deep karmic work. And so for me, part of what I'm releasing during this new moon, and I'm always, you know, in a continual evolution with it, is like releasing the need to people please, releasing the need to appease people, releasing the need to just like pad the way and make everybody feel okay and just being okay with saying no, like I don't want to do that or no, and risking appearing selfish or risking, you know, again, that fear of taking action. And so when I really was sitting with this new moon, you know, I saw Chiron and I saw Saturn and I saw, you know, the new moon. So the sun and the moon. And I was like, okay, this seems like the wounding will be parental a little bit. And something in me was like, Well, do you actually know that? Like, maybe you don't say that, or you don't want to trigger people into like familial like um triggers and things like that. And so I was like, okay, so I didn't write about it in any of my stuff, but I forgot about it. You know, it kind of like came in, I convinced myself whatever, and and it left. And I think like as I'm um growing my astrology knowledge, as I'm learning through charts and readings and books and all the things, we will always feel like we don't know enough. Always. I mean, I've talked to people on here who have been doing coaching for 10, 20 plus years, who have been in the spiritual work for decades. And even they sometimes will have moments where they're like, do I know enough? Am I confident? And like there's there's always this piece of maybe hesitation, or yeah, I think they're just I think it's just so normal to ask, like, do I know enough? And the magic, I think, is taking action even though, right? And anyway, so all that to say that this is just like a super tiny example. But I've been really leaning into my intuition, leaning into myself, and just like kind of saying fuck it all to like all the like selfish complexes that I have, and just letting it go and like being in my energy. But I saw this this aspect, and I, you know, and I I have been talking about it being an inner wound, a pattern that's coming up, but I didn't necessarily talk about it being familial, parental. And so I was on a new moon call and the astrologer was like, This is your father wound. And I was like, Yes, like why did I, why did I need external validation for my own knowing? And for me, this really comes again for that really deep-rooted karma and wounds that come around that Libra South node for myself. Again, Libra South Node, it's conjunct my IC, it's conjunct Pluto. Like there's so much pain and wounding and work for me to move through around that to then embody that that Aries North Node. And I say all of this to say that the new moon is conjunct, one degree is conjunct, my own north node. So all of this is coming up really strongly. So finding where in your chart, but again, this conversation was such a beautiful reminder and is so aligned to the current energy that it's like, even if you're afraid, do it afraid. Do the thing afraid. Like, what is the thing you want to take action? What if we all have wounding? We you could have the best parents in the world, and we talk about that in this episode. You can have the best parents in the world, and you'll still carry some sort of wounding, right? Ancestral wounding, wounding from your grandparents, like you know, you were in your grandmother's womb, right? Before your mother was born. And so there's just there's so much attachment to karma and our ancestors and generational trauma, and it's just it really like it your mindset allows you to move, and your mindset can hold you back. And so it's kind of like, what are you gonna do? Like, what matters? How can you move on that? What can you let go of? And it's not about taking one giant leap to the end of the finish line. No, it's about taking small steps to get you there. And so, yeah, this conversation was just really awesome and so divinely timed. So I know that you're gonna love it. Holistic Human Design Academy does start May 1st. And so this is nine modules where we're diving into human design, the foundations of human design and astrology, really learning how to embody that and understand it. Um, we're leading into the body, uh, attachment theory, we're going into subconscious reprogramming, the feminine, learning really deeply more about the transits is the module I'm adding in there. And then we're going through the gene keys. Um, the genius sequence, the Venus sequence, and the prosperity sequence, spending the most time with the Venus sequence because this is really where our wounding and our patterns are held. And so when we really do the work to move through that, it's such a beautiful process. And there's always so many ahas around the section where we go through the gene keys. So you can join through the link down below. Um, we start again May 1st, but you can get in now. Uh, beautiful, it's a three-month container. Um, so I would love to have you in there. And yeah, connect with me on Instagram at Rochelle.christian, R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E. C-H-R-A-S-T-I-A-N-E. And connect with Laura on Instagram, on TikTok, on threads, on webs, on her website. Everything is linked below. Her website is lauraora.com, L-A-U-R-A, A-U-R-A.com. So you can go connect with her over there. She has the Gutsy podcast, so go check it out. Um, and yeah, just rate, review, subscribe, share with a friend, Spotify. It's so easy, just those five stars, whatever you think it's worth, right? Just like click it and it really does help. Um, and yeah, just sharing with somebody who maybe you know somebody who's an entrepreneur, who's going through a divorce, who's going through transition, just something that really needs to hear um something around mindset and coming into themselves and connecting with their body and all the things. So thank you so much for listening and I will talk to you soon. Welcome to the podcast. Today I have Laura Ora, who is a keynote speaker, personal growth coach, and host of the Gutsy podcast. And I'm excited to have this conversation. I'm loving the vibe here. I think it's gonna be great. Uh, but I always like to start with sort of just handing you the floor so you can, you know, share as much or as little as you like about your background and kind of, you know, how you got to where you're at with, you know, mindset work, with taking action. Because I mean, we're gonna get into that. I have so many questions because I think that's like the hardest thing for people to do. Um, but yeah, I just wanted to kind of set the foundation and start there.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah, huh? Well, thanks for having me. Um, I've been a business owner for 18 years, wild. Um, definitely not my first rodeo. Um, my background is actually in graphic design. So my very first job was um a yellow page designer. I designed ads for the phone book. So super classy, fantastic, um, just as exciting as it sounds, but it showed me what I wanted and what I didn't want. And so one of my first big gutsy moves was quitting that job when I was six and a half months pregnant to start my first business, which was a branding agency. I called it an agency. It was me and my belly and my couch. Okay. But we grew it into an agency that was full staff and we had lots of clients. We won a ton of awards. Um, and through that experience, I just, I just always got really drawn to the side conversations that I would have with the business owners that we were working with. So we branded a lot of small businesses and we would have like our normal meeting. And then after the normal meeting, the the owner would pull me aside and be like, Laura, do you have a second? Like, can I tell you something or can I ask you a question? And man, in the in that space, it was like, I don't know, I just fucking came alive, like in a whole new way, because they wanted to share the things that they couldn't tell anybody else. The the fears that they had that they didn't want anyone else to think that like they were falling apart and didn't have their shit together, or the big idea that they had that everyone else thought was ridiculous and they wanted to talk them out of it or question it. So it was in this space where I'm like, oh, there's a lot like happening in the mind, obviously. Like I feel like this. I didn't realize other people felt like this. I thought I was just bad shit crazy. Um, turns out all of us have this internal dialogue, these thoughts and these fears and these stretchy moments and these retreat moments and just all this stuff that happens. Um, and I wanted to learn more. I just became kind of obsessed with it. So I started to interview entrepreneurs on what used to be called the Green Couch Project, which later turned into the Gutsy Podcast, which is still rolling today. Um, and we just started having these very raw candid conversations about all the things that we were all thinking and feeling, and then getting a solution. Like, what do we do with this stuff? How do we how do we stop beating ourselves out? How do we stop overthinking? How do we get past the point where we typically talk ourselves out of it and go back to what we know? And I got to another pivot point in my in my career where the branding just wasn't doing it for me anymore. You know, I I did all that I wanted to and then some. Uh, and I was like, I'm ready to really step into being a speaker. I'd already been speaking at the time, I'd already been coaching at the time, and it was time for me to go all in. So two years ago, at time of recording right now, I sold my agency and went all in as a full-time keynote speaker and coach. And here we are.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I love that. Yeah, I feel like something I've learned along the way too is just like nobody has it together in the sense of just like we're all just figuring it out. I know. And I think that imposter syndrome like can be so heavy sometimes, or you know, your mind gets like so wrapped up in it, and then it's just like zooming out and being like, you know what? The only difference between me and somebody else is they're doing something, you know, they're figuring it out as they go. So yeah, it's so interesting. What do you feel like? Or I guess like with like if you're looking back to like your childhood or how you were raised, was there something that maybe like pushed you to um like take more aligned action? Or was that something you kind of had to learn along the way, like figuring out your own mindset?

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Well, I'm an oldest daughter, so there's that. Um, I I it's kind of been ingrained in me for since since my first sibling was born. Um, that you know, I I jump in, I help out, I take care of things. I um I became a a mother before I birthed a child, um, you know, just because a lot of the roles and responsibilities were shifted to me. And so it was kind of forced on me, you know, it was something that was ingrained in me very, very early. Um, not necessarily a bad thing, right? Because I I do take action, I do take charge of things. Where it gets sticky is knowing when to stop, is knowing when I don't have to fix everything, is knowing when everything and everyone's problems are not mine, learning how to turn it off, when to turn it on, you know, that kind of stuff. So it's it can be a skill when properly used. Um, you just really got to get to know, like, hey, I need to know when enough is enough.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Yeah. Yeah. How old is your, or like, what's the age difference between your younger sibling?

SPEAKER_03 18:44

My I have three younger siblings. Um, one is five years younger than me, one is seven years younger than me, and the other is 15 years younger than me. Oh, wow. So there's quite an age gap between me and my not-so-baby brother, um, who's much taller than me. Um, yeah, five, five years is is the smallest gap between us.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Wow. Yeah, my kids have a six-year-age difference. And I noticed my daughter, she's older one, but yeah, she'll like come in and she'll be like, You should do this. And I'm like, um, who's the adult here? A little a little mother.

unknown 19:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

It's I don't know. I don't know if it's something in the DNA. I don't know if it's I I'm sure there's studies on this, but you know, the the that oldest daughter just naturally is a leader, naturally is a go-getter and a figure outer. And gosh, the determination. Like, if we just put eldest daughters in charge of a lot of things, so many things would get done.

The Real Reason We Stall

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I'm I'm an oldest daughter too, but I'm my my brother's a little less than two years younger than me. So I've noticed like there are a lot of like themes that are similar, but there's a lot of different ways that I I get in my own way a lot of times. I think, and I that's why I asked like the age difference, because I wonder if it's because it's a bigger age difference that you, you know, like versus my brother's like kind of closer to my age, but I don't know, just interesting side note. But what do you feel like? Um, you know, when people are working on mindset and when it comes to specifically like taking action, what do you feel like is the thing that usually holds people back? Like, is there sort of like a core theme that you notice that comes up with people?

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Yeah, there's there's a couple of things, but you know, I'm gonna intuitively answer this today because it there are a handful, but one of the biggest ones is is just like howing it to death. Like I need to know all the details. I need to have a perfectly curated plan. I need to know what it's going to look like, how it's gonna happen, who's it's gonna be involved, how much is it gonna cost, how long is it gonna take, right? Like we we make it so much bigger than what it needs to be in that moment when all we really need to do is focus on okay, what is the thing that I want? What's the one next step that I can take to get it? But that bigness, that uncertainty, that gray area, that not having every tiny, finite detail figured out is just like might as well just throw up a brick wall because until I have that, then I cannot move forward. It's really an excuse. Sorry, not sorry. Yeah, it's an excuse. It's it's a way for you to fixate on like why you can't have it instead of getting into the space of determination of I'm going to get it.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Yeah. Is the underlying fear of just like failure? So we're just finding excuses.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

I mean, failure, change. What are other people going to say or think?

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

Getting out, getting out of your comfort zone, even if what you're doing, you know, whether that's in life or career or relationship or health or whatever it is that you're feeling this kind of tug to to make a change in, you may not like it, but it's familiar. And you know how to navigate what's familiar. So a lot of times it's just stepping into the space of like, I don't, I don't know how to navigate this because I've never done this before. So now I feel vulnerable. I don't want to look stupid. I don't want to uh mess something up. So I'm just gonna go back to what I know. And it's not like we sit and have that conscious conversation with ourselves. This is all running in the background. Yeah. Right. This is these are subconscious thoughts that are absolutely running the show. And until we like really bring that into the spotlight and build such a deep awareness around our thoughts and our lack of action, you're gonna keep going back to what you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Yeah, yeah. I um I do a lot of like the manifestation work of just as you were talking, that's what I'm saying, that subconscious like beliefs, right? That we don't always we we can't even like connect with sometimes. It's just it's on autopilot. And I think, you know, for me, sometimes I mean the the action piece is always the hardest because it's like you get push up against that and it's like a full body response, right? And then I'm just like, oh, and then my mind finds all the reasons why, you know. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

And so it can be the laundry, the laundry needs done, and and I need to, you know, color code my my Excel sheet. And you know, I gotta be able to do this. I gotta do this problem. Oh, we gotta clean out the The silverware drawer, right? I've been meaning to do that. I mean, we are masters at finding anything to do to take us away from doing the thing that actually matters. It's not, it's not that you don't want to do things. Like all the women that I work with have a drive. They want to do the thing. They're just not doing the thing that matters.

Micro Shifts That Build Momentum

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've noticed even in my own business, I get really caught up in the back end stuff, right? Instead of being face forward where it's like, oh, well, the website needs this, or I have to do this. I have to like, you know, the I have to create like the perfectly like curated Instagram posts. And then I catch myself. I'm like, that's that stuff doesn't matter. People like, if you show up raw and messy, like this is why I love TikTok, because I feel like I can just say whatever, post it, not even think about it, and just like, and people love it, you know? And so it's really, I think, yeah, getting yourself out of your way. But I do find that a lot of the subconscious, like, you know, sometimes you catch yourself repeating patterns and you're just doing it. You're not even thinking about it. And then it can become so defeating, right? And then that spiral kind of starts happening. Like, you know, awareness is is helpful, but how do you kind of get people to create awareness around those subconscious beliefs that are just having them do all the like the bullshit instead of the actual thing?

SPEAKER_03 24:22

Yeah. Well, I mean, the first thing we got to get clear on is what do you actually want? I mean, that's the biggest question of all of them.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

And it's, you know, when I ask people that, some, you know, sometimes it's met with resistance or I have no idea. Nobody's ever asked me that before. Um, I'm not sure. I haven't thought about that in a long time. Or they do know, but they're afraid to admit it. Because what happens when we admit what we want? That means we need to make a change to get to it. So we first got to get really clear about what it is that you want. Again, you don't have to have it all figured out. We just have to have a direction. What we're looking for here is a North Star.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Then we can start looking at what are my daily habits? How am I showing up? What am I saying to myself? How am I actually resisting this thing instead of going for it? And it's it's like turning on this little flashlight on all these little pockets of your mind. So you can start seeing, like it literally illuminates, like, oh, I didn't realize, like, oh, I've been wanting to start this business, but instead, I've been, you know, organizing the spare bedroom. It like, does that need done? Maybe, but does it need done right now? No. You know, so like how are what are the habits that we're doing? What are the daily things that we're doing that's actually driving us away from that instead of towards it? And it's one of those things, like once you start seeing this stuff, you cannot unsee it.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Then you're like, then you're like, oh, damn, there it is. Oh, I'm doing it again. And it's not to shame, it's not to blame, it's just simply to notice it. Like we can't change what we don't notice. And so if we have this like radical awareness around what we're doing, how we're showing up, what we're saying to ourselves, then we can start to catch that in the moment and shift it. It's in these little tiny micro shifts. It's another big misconception, is that big change has to happen all in one big pass, rarely, very rarely.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

More often than not, it's in those little micro moments where you're like, oh, I've been wanting to start this business, really need to file the paperwork for the LLC. Oh, I'm gonna go clean the bedroom. Oh no, I'm going to stop and I'm going to set a timer if I have to for 20 minutes and I'm going to fill out this damn paperwork and get it in. Right. And it's it's uncomfortable in those little moments, but you do it a couple of times and all of a sudden we've got momentum.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Right.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

Like now we're like excited about it. Now things are moving. The things that you were having trouble like getting more clarity on starts to unfold itself in front of you. The right next person pops up. The the right next question that you need to ask comes to your mind, right? Like things start to move because you're moving. There's science behind that. What's that? Uh, an object in motion stays in motion. Right? It's the same concept here. So we we've got to really start to recognize like, what are we unintentionally doing that's sabotaging the thing that we actually want and then changing it in those moments.

When Growth Feels Unsafe

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Yeah, that's so good. I remember years and years ago when I first went to therapy, my therapist would ask me questions like that, like, what do you want? Or like, you know, what do you look, like whatever? And I would always be like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Right. Cause it's just like you're so, I think sometimes consumed with like the moment or or the the feeling or whatever it is, and that we don't even like zoom out to like have the big picture of like what the actual end goal is. Um, and so that I think that's such a powerful question just to ask. And and you know, even in my business, sometimes when I find myself, yeah, getting distracted by like my house or like if I haven't, like literally right now, I have a pile of laundry on my bed. It's like, you know, but that's like I could, I don't know. So you there's so many things. And I think sometimes even in the like not cleaning, right? Like that is also a distraction because it's like I pass by and I'm trying to be productive and I pass by yeah, and I see it and I'm like, oh, I gotta do that, or just like little things, right? That can take us away from it. So like, yeah, I like that, like creating like little daily habits and like really assessing that. What do you feel like? Is there a point like where you start changing your habits, you create momentum, and then kind of hit that like well, I guess that upper ceiling or like the upper limit, whatever it is, right? Where you feel like um almost like you're not worthy of more, or it just becomes very uncomfortable. Is there like a difference in what you would suggest people do in both of these points?

SPEAKER_03 28:40

That's a great question. You know, the it change is gonna stretch you regardless of what that change is.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Or going or going after something or trying something new, or you know, whatever it is that you're working on, there's always going to be that point where you're like, oh, because now you realize like I'm not surrounded by all the stuff that once kept me squishy and safe, you know, quote unquote safe. Uh safety, you get to create safety. And basically what safety means in this particular context is familiarity. So you're you're simply in an unfamiliar territory. And I want to remind you that when you're in that place, you've you've been unfamiliar with things and new at something a bajillion times in your life. Think about your first day of school and the first time you met your best friend, and the first date that you went out on with your spouse, and the first time you went to the mall by yourself. You know what I mean? Like there's just there's so many times that you've been new at something, and what happened? You figured it out, you kept going and you build more familiarity in your body. And a lot of those things now are second nature, you wouldn't even think about it anymore because it's just so normal to you. And so in this space, it's really about holding and expanding into not retreating, not going back to old ways, because your old ways are gonna absolutely knock on your door when you start getting uncomfortable. Because it's like, oh, hey, come back, like I know how to handle this back here. Where you're going, you can't take that shit with you. Okay, that's not gonna serve you in that space. And so just even noticing and acknowledging, pausing and just feeling it, feeling the uncertainty, feeling the unfamiliarity, feeling the newness of it, and and just being with it. Like I I I wish there was some like magical formula I could give you in this space, but there really isn't. It's the the whole goal here is to not run away from it. Instead is to sit with it, get to know it, feel whatever's coming up, and then lean your ass in a little bit further. Yeah, because you're right there. Like if you're really starting to feel that, you're right there. You're right at a moment where something's about to click, a breakthrough's about to happen, an opportunity is gonna show up, something is right on the cusp. Because if you're getting that antsy and that uncomfortable, friend, I need you to lean your whole ass in because something great's about to happen. So don't you dare turn around and go back because all the work that you've put into this up until this point is about to come to fruition.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Yeah. Yeah. I think that the actual feeling part, like sitting with it, is a thing that so many of us find so hard to do. We want to distract numb. We want to look away. Um, I know for myself, like I'm such a feeling person, like everything, I'm just very emotional. Um, and I try and be very aware of it and not let it overrun the show, which it can sometimes. But, you know, that I think that feeling sometimes can turn mental really quickly, right? So it's like when we're sitting with it and then it's just like then the overthinking comes in. It's like, what does this mean? What do I do? And like, yeah, of course, all the reasons, like you said, the how earlier, all the reasons of like, we're, you know, why we shouldn't do it and like weighing things. And I always, you know, it's like your mind will always second guess, your mind will always doubt. There will always be a reason not to do something. So I think, like, yeah, sometimes just like literally putting one foot in front of the other, and just like, you have to, you have it's, you know, even with my business and things like that, I always tell people, I'm like, I just no matter what I feel like one day, no matter how discouraged or defeated or whatever emotions come up, it's like the next day wake up and like just gonna keep at it. Just gonna keep at it. You know, it might be a slower process, but we're just gonna keep going.

Why Community Stops The Spiral

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Well, what what's I mean, in reality, what's the alternative? Yeah, being where you're where you're at to to go back to something that you don't want, yeah. To to give up on something that you've put so much time, money, effort, energy into. I mean, it's if you're especially if you're on an entrepreneurial road, this shit is wild. It is wild. And and I want to say, even if it yes, in entrepreneurialism, but in in any change or or level up or transition in life, being around other people that are in a similar mindset as you or a step ahead of you is a game changer. So being in a community with people that you can bounce ideas off of, that you can say, Hey, I'm having a tough moment. I don't know about this, people to help like call you forward and help you through those kind of you know patchy spots where you're really second-guessing yourself is is an absolute game changer. I mean, especially as women, we just how we we can do it all, right? We can do it all, we gotta do it all by ourselves. Okay, yes, we are strong independent women here. And we also need community. We were not built to do this life alone, and that absolutely pertains to business too.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Yeah, 100%. I feel like for I mean, this year for me, I've been trying to insert myself in more communities because where I'm at, like physically in life, like, you know, I don't have much here at the moment. And so I've noticed that I think that, yeah, that definitely allows for the doubt or the defeated, like sort of victim feelings to become so much bigger. Cause if you don't have anything, any inspiration or anybody doing the thing, or you know what I mean? And so it can be really uh, yeah, frustrating or overwhelming when you get in those moments. And so yeah, this year I've really tried to insert myself in more communities of entrepreneurial women because yeah, it is, it's wild. It's crazy. It's like one year will be really great, and the next, like this past year has been so crazy of just like it's almost like crickets. And I'm like, wait, what is going on? Right. And so you just have to, you know, like talk to yourself and yeah, be around people who are also kind of, yeah, either a step ahead of you or just like kind of experiencing the same things because otherwise it's just yeah, it can be really frustrating for sure.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Yeah, it gets it gives you a chance to to vocalize what you're feeling because when we only think, I mean, that's a snowball in a wild direction, you know. It I mean, and it's literally like I mean, think of your brain like having this this thought inside of your brain like a ping pong ball, that as it just rolls around, it's not going anywhere, it's just it's literally snowballing, and then before you know it, this little tiny thought that you had now is like the size of your brain. Yeah, or or or what feels even bigger than that, and it's and it feels like you're gonna like bust. Whereas if we just open the valve, we open the mouth and we start talking, we start whether that's venting, whether that's asking for feedback, whether that's just saying and expressing what's going on, it's like an instant diffuser. Like it just instantly moves that energy out of your body, and we're not snowballing it in. In fact, you're probably gonna find a solution, or you're gonna be like, Oh, I maybe I just need to say that out loud to hear that that's just ridiculous. You know what I mean? Like, I just needed to get that energy out of my body. So that's one of the million reasons why I, you know, am a huge advocate for community, because sometimes you just need to be heard.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Yeah. Yeah. And I think, yeah, sometimes we feel like we need to, I don't know. I I know for myself and I know a lot of the women that listen are very, you know, kind of like on the spiritual journey. And I think there's just like a lot of there's honestly a lot of bullshit around when you go online, it's like, oh, it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Yeah. Law of attraction.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Watch what you're saying. Your words are powerful, and it's like they are. And so it, but it so, but at the same time, I do notice that when you're in a space where you can articulate and you can express, and it's not to like constantly like complain about the same thing over and over. I think that's different. That's very different, yeah, than just like getting it out, but like actually genuinely getting it out and having a conversation, it's like almost immediate the like weight it lifts off you, you know? And so yeah, I think that for sure, because I used to like, you know, years and years and years ago, I would complain about the same thing to like, you know, like over and over and over again it gets to a point where like this isn't solving anything, this is just making the thing bigger, right? Yeah. So then it's it's finding that tweak of like, yeah, doing the work and then expressing it in a healthy way. That's just like, you know, whether it's you know, venting or or whatever. But yeah, I think that's huge.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Yeah.

Coaching Containers And Big Transitions

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Yeah. How do we so when people come to you? Uh, is there a point like sort of in their process that they come to you? And like I think what I'm asking is like if we're in survival mode, kind of like day-to-day survival mode, is that something that you work with? Like, do people come to you in that state, or is it sort of like they've been doing it for a little bit, or they're just like struggling with, or is there a certain point, I guess, in their business, maybe where they're looking for more like mindset work or um to be able to take like more action?

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Yeah. So a lot of the women that I work with have done a lot of inner work already, or have tried a bunch of things. So every one of my clients has either gone through therapy or is in therapy. So huge advocate for that. I am not a therapist. Um, so but the work that I do is um an incredible complement to therapy. So they've either already gone through therapy and they're looking for what's next, or they're in therapy and they're like already kind of like ready to move forward because therapy is a lot of back work, right? It's it's going backwards and a lot of things to heal a lot of that stuff, which is really important. So they've they've tried a lot on their own, they've done some inner work already, they've already got some movement, they're not necessarily in survival mode anymore. They're they're in movement, but it's like sticky, right? Like they they're not sure what to do next. They're feeling kind of overwhelmed, they know what they don't want anymore, but maybe they're still trying to figure out what they do want. Um, they're they're rebuilding, you know, they're rebuilding in a lot of ways. They're coming home to themselves, um, building their confidence, starting to use their voice again, um, really noticing, like, hey, there's some day-to-day stuff that I need to shift and change. So there is this, there's this drive, there's an ambition, there is a desire to want to do something, but they're just like, ah, it's like a lot. What do I do? Like, I want to do the work. If somebody could just tell me what the hell to do, I would do it. That's that's the kind of energy of of the women that I work with.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

So, like, in what way are you supporting them?

SPEAKER_03 39:11

As far as like programs or like, or yeah, I guess so. Or like how is the type of work?

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Yeah, I guess like the type of work, maybe is the question.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

Yeah. So there's there's two primary ways that I work with women. One is in my community called the Gutsy Collective, um, and one in my mastermind called Oraline. I also have one-on-one coaching for women that want to go down that path individually as well. Um, the the collective is really about rebuilding skills for themselves. So we're doing mindset work. We are doing um challenges together to help them build their confidence. We are, there's like an accountability system in there where like, hey, I said I'm gonna do this, and and then the women hold one another accountable, right? Like they are, they're ready to make those moves. There's something bigger calling them, but like I need to kind of build up my tank a little bit, fill up my cup a little bit before I make that bigger move. So the the premise of all the work that I do is helping women to make the bold moves that they can't stop thinking about. This is the this is the thing that they keep putting off, they keep thinking about, they're wanting to do this, right? Sometimes it's growing the business, expanding the business, changing the business, um, changing jobs. Um, I attract a lot of women that are in relationship shifts. Um, I attract a lot of women that are wanting to or just about to have a divorce. So there's this like there's some kind of change happening, right? Um, and especially when we're talking about business, like you know, it's the wild west out there.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

And and who do you go to and who do you trust? So the women that I'm working with, there is a move that they're wanting to make, a growth, a transition, a pivot, something they're wanting to do, but they just can't seem to get to it or they don't know how to make it happen. And so all the work that I'm doing with them is helping them to rebuild their skills and abilities in themselves. Trusting themselves is a huge portion. Trust work is big, competence work is big. And then ultimately simplifying the shit out of this stuff. Like, okay, this is what you want to do. Here's some groundwork things that we're gonna work on. What's the plan? Because I'm not gonna just like do woo-woo stuff around you, right? Like we that's part energy work is a huge part of it, but we also need something practical, physical that you can wrap your hands around to do the work, but we're doing it with intention, we're doing it towards the thing that you want. We're making those little micro shifts so that you ultimately make that change that you've been wanting to do.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

So then in go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, so they're not all specifically making shifts in their business, like you said, like divorces, relationships, like so it's more than just like one specific area.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

In in the Gutsy Collective, it's it's a little bit more broad. In Oraline, the mastermind, it's more business focused. Okay. So these are these are women in business that um are either getting ready to start a business, they've been in a leadership position at a corporation, or they they've been doing a lot of heavy work for someone else for a while, and they're like, it's time to do it myself. Or they already have a business and they're in a space where maybe the business that they were running is actually running them. They've gotten caught up in all the shoulds and how things are supposed to happen, and um, you know, started it off with nothing and have built this really great business, but now it's consuming them. And I want to shift, but I need to make these changes. And, you know, something's something's not functioning at the optimal level that I want it to be in. That's where Oraline comes into play. It's a much deeper conversation around um not just the personal skills and abilities, but the the business stuff as well.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

So, what does a work look like for somebody who's maybe like relationship focused versus somebody who's business focused, or is it basically the same?

SPEAKER_03 42:52

And I mean, in the in the Gutsy Collective, and it honestly this pops up in Orline too. It this is about people work. The business is just an extension of you. So your thoughts, beliefs, and habits are gonna show up in your business, period. Yeah. Same with your relationship. So the the work isn't necessarily different, it's just how you're directing that work. So, like I've got a gal right now that um just filed for divorce a couple of months ago. Um, you know, she when she came to me, she didn't think she would be able to. She was so brainwashed that she'd never be able to do it by herself and it would never work. And how is she gonna pay the bills? And she's been with him for you know, 15, 16 years at this point. How how on earth is she supposed to start all over? So she's starting at a point where she didn't even think it was possible. The girl filed for divorce a couple of weeks ago. She is living on her own, she's raising her kids by herself, she's out, she's on the roof, like fixing stuff. So she's posting pictures of her with power tools on the roof, safely, of course. Um, you know, like you know what I mean? But like she has built those that that that base again of self-belief, of self-trust, of using her voice, of speaking up, asking for what she wants, uh, expressing what she doesn't want, setting boundaries and holding it, building in time for herself, not taking what's left from the day, but instead putting herself at the front of the line. You know what I mean? It's all those little daily shifts and habits that add up to like, hey, you know what? I can I can figure this out, and now I can figure it out and not be alone. Okay, now we've now we've got a whole situation here that's that's for the better.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Yeah, yeah. I love that. I think, like you said, like building that like self-worth and like little moments, not just like one big thing that's gonna like shift everything. And you know, I so many times it's like you look back and you feel like nothing's changing. Then you look back and you're like, oh wow, I'm like actually dramatically different than I was like a few years ago, you know. For me, it's a lot of like I always say, like, if I'm not romantically involved in somebody, like I'm so good, like I'm so neutral. I've like I'm on it, right? Like my mindset is amazing. And then as soon as like something for me, it's always that romantic piece, you know. I mean, I know they say, like, you know, where you are traumatized or where you like had pain or struggle or whatever, that's kind of the area that you need to work in. But then yeah, for me that when that comes back in, then I'm just like, I'm all over the place again. And it really takes like a lot to sort of like I guess like course correct and like remind myself of all of those little like micro moments. And like you said, like kind of putting those habits in and like making sure you stick to those. Uh but yeah I I think that's that's really important.

SPEAKER_03 45:34

Well and think about how that that that's not going away in your business.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Yeah. No, it impacts everything.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

That's that's not going away just because you open up your laptop or fire up the the desktop. You know what I mean? Like that you're in in business business is one of the most wild personal development journeys you will ever go on. Your inner stuff does not go away. It gets amplified. And so if there's um if there's something going on a lack of confidence or uncertainty or habit or belief that you've had or lived with for a long time that's going to show up in business. Like I've got a gal in Orline right now she's like she's grown a pretty great business but she's just not operating where she knows that she can be and it's frustrating right because she's like I have a lot more to give um I I have capacity for more why is more not coming we started looking at her messaging and realizing that she's been trying to convince people to join. And where is that coming from from a childhood thing right from from an old belief of you know she wasn't good enough and she's got to approve to people and that's now showing up in her messaging which is not converting because that energy is going out there. You know what I mean? So it's it's a it's a slippery little slope there it is. Yeah. But what now she sees it she's like oh my God how have I never seen this before and that's the power of working with a coach or being in a community like this because it helps you to see what is like literally flashing lights in front of you. It's but it's just normal to you. It's how you're operating.

Learning Public Speaking By Doing

SPEAKER_00 47:08

Yeah I love that. When you started uh like keynote speaking or public speaking was there was that something you were always sort of comfortable with or no not at all.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

The um the very first time that I stood up in front of a group to speak I literally turned red from the top of my chest up to my neck like I was wearing a turtleneck. You see in like movies or old cartoons when people are nervous and their knees shake and I was like oh that's very exaggerated. No that's real that's a real physical response. My knees were shaking my neck was red my voice was fluctuating um the most terrifying thing I've ever done in my life and yet I wanted to do it again. And I'm like well that's a little bit fucked up but I'm gonna trust this right so I was part of a a business networking group when I first started my very first business. So um I had to stand up in front of the group and tell people about myself. And I kept going to that group and every week I had to stand up and you know a couple of months and then turned into a couple of years I started to get more comfortable by the time I was finished with that group I was the president of the organization. So I was uh I was running the meeting every week so I was not shaking anymore. And then the years went on and the rooms got bigger and the audiences got more diverse and like things started to shift. And every new bigger stage you know those some of those feelings come back but I love it so much. I know public speaking is like one of the top fears in the world. Yeah and I'm like let's go like bring me a bigger room because I I'm ready for it. I just did a key I just did a keynote for a corporation for a thousand people virtually which has been my my biggest audience so far. And at first I was like right like I want to poke a little bit but then I was like no this is exactly what I was made to do. So I'm that's one of those moments like you were saying earlier it's like oh I'm feeling stretchy I'm feeling nervous who am I supposed who am I to do this there's speakers that are way better than me to fill this room I don't know if I can handle this. And I was like Laura you're fucking made for this this is what we've been working on for two decades. Like you are exactly where you're supposed to be so I take a big deep breath I put on some peppermint oil and I nailed my keynote. You know what I mean? So it's it's just sitting with that acknowledging it and then leaning into it.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Yeah I love that my I I did public speaking in college and I literally blacked out like I literally have no memory of like the class the only reason I know because it was on my transcript I had it transferred when I like started in college it was like because I was afraid I was gonna have to take public speaking and then I looked at it I was like wait I already took it I literally don't remember it was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 49:53

I mean most people are are not interested in public speaking um I just I love it. I feel like it's where I'm able to have my most impact um it comes very naturally to me now yeah I've practiced a lot I've got five uh almost 550 episodes of the of the Gutsy podcast aired so I've practiced a lot on my own channels you know I've been on you know hundreds of stages in other podcasts now um around the world so it's it's comfortable to me now but it's because I was willing to be new at one point yeah I was willing to be uncomfortable to see where this might go. I didn't start out knowing that I was a public speaker. No clue. I thought I was going to do branding until the day I died. Yeah I turns out no like I the branding agency was a catalyst to get me here because I met people and I practiced and I had to give speeches and presentations and chamber of commerce events you know what I mean like I when I look back I'm like I can very clearly see how all of that led to this right now.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Yeah yeah even for me the podcast has been so healing in in that respect where it's like I, you know this has been about I think it's been about six years and for like a year and a half I didn't tell anybody about it. It was just like my online journal. I was just like I don't want people to know like whatever and then I started doing interviews and I was so nervous just because I was like I'm just I'm not a good interview I'm not a good interviewer. I'm not a good conversationalist because like I'm one of those people where like I like to go deep like surface level stuff sometimes is a little bit of a struggle for me. Um and then but yeah the more you practice it the more you're able to ask questions the more you kind of it's just a curiosity at the end of the day right it's like if I'm thinking I want to ask something like just ask it instead of overthinking of like oh my gosh what are they going to think if I ask this question you know exactly it's just for me even that's been so healing right and like you said like I mean I'm not public speaking in a in any like big sense at the moment. I do visualize myself when I see my future like what I want I do see myself on a stage. But again it is just like doing little workshops here and there like talking to groups and you know just like starting in the in those ways. But yeah sometimes like the thing that gets me is that if like there will be moments sometimes where my mind just like clears out and then I'm like oh shit yeah you just have and I just have to be honest about it.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

I'm like guys I just totally forgot what everything else that's oh my gosh listen that is such a thing like if you just own the moment that you're in it it humanizes you it makes you more relatable it makes you more memorable I've absolutely been in situations where I'm like yep I I don't even know what my name is right now. You know what I mean? And it's like you just say that and you get a good chuckle out of people and then it's like your brain comes back online and you keep carrying on it's we just make things such a big deal when they just really don't need to be and we're afraid of what people are going to say and think about us. Yeah I would rather laugh with them while we're all laughing than to be laughed at. You know what I mean? Like you just you just own it and and you go about your day. We are humans. I don't know if anybody forgot that but we we are humans which means we're fairly imperfect.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

Yeah well I think a lot of times like in certain spaces you want to be seen as like the expert but yeah I I I think about other people who own like their shit or will just yeah say something like that, you know, and just humanize themselves and then you're like oh it's it I've never once been in the position to be like oh like what are they thinking? You know like you're just you're like oh wow that like that's actually really cool. So just like remembering that too you know and and you know in the beginning like especially with podcasting it's it's actually more challenging than it than it seems I think to be an active listener while preparing for another question. Because it's like sometimes I just want to be so focused on what you're saying but then I know that you have to keep the flow. And so sometimes it's like that balance between you know figuring it all out but but I love it. It it every single time like there are still times where I like every conversation I have, I get a little bit nervous beforehand. But it's just like every single time you know when we click end and I just I'm so lit up by the whole process of connecting and having conversations and learning and you know I love being able to bring just a variety of different people with different tools and you know mindset work and things like that because I know that anybody who comes to listen to the podcast will find something for them that can shift even it's just one thing. You know I'm like that's the whole point. So anyway.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

You're in you're in alignment my friend that's alignment.

SPEAKER_00 54:18

That's what it feels like you know and I just keep remembering that I'm like your your work should feel alive.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

It's not to say that every day is going to be perfect. It doesn't mean that you're not gonna get nervous sometimes but as a whole your work should make you feel alive. Yeah and if it feels heavy or daunting and not in a new kind of like ooh butterfly I'm nervous kind of feeling but in like a like a sack of potatoes in you kind of feeling or dread or um procrastination because you just don't friend that is a blinking red light that is trying to get your attention that you are not in alignment that there's something out of place here and there's something better for you if you're willing to explore it.

Astrology As A Practical Tool

SPEAKER_00 55:04

But what you're what you're sharing with me right now all systems go yeah like you're you're in alignment you're enjoying your work you come alive when you talk about it that's everything that you need everything else you can figure out along the way when you've got that everything else gets to be easier yeah I love that like follow that little spark as long as it's there right you just keep going yep yep have you ever have you looked into your astrology chart or are you familiar with astrology I'm a nerd about astrology.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

So please I was really hoping that we could talk about this because I love this shit.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

Well I loved it. So like when I first looked at your chart like I think the thing that stood out most to me especially like for what you do is uh your Mercury and Uranus in conjunction in uh in Sagittarius.

SPEAKER_03 55:48

So yeah I break that down for me.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

So it's just like you know like Uranus being like the great awakener right you're awakening truth. And Mercury for you is actually retrograde in your chart. So it's a lot of internalized energy. So when we talk about like to me that's very much like mindset. It's like what's happening in your mind, what's going on in your mind and then in conjunction with Uranus where it's like it's just the sudden shock, it's sudden truth we're bringing things through right and you're awakening other people right and into what they're capable of and what they can do in their truth and like kind of being a mirror to that um I thought that was that was just like the first thing that I kind of looked at when I you know saw like was looking through what you do and and how you help people uh does that resonate absolutely 4000% yeah how does like okay so you're fine with me sharing parts of your go for it so okay so you have your your moon in Scorpio and your Saturn and your South node and Pluto all in Scorpio like how does that show up for you do you feel like in in in what you do or in life and well I'm fairly intense I I think that that's probably the word that comes to mind most is intensity.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

You alluded to this earlier I don't want to do surface I don't want to sit around and bitch about things I don't want to just accept things for what they are. I will not settle in the people that want to step into my world I won't let you do any of those things either. And so the when people want to work with me they're ready to do the work doesn't mean we have to flip the whole table over it means like okay what is the right next step for you and so for me I mean I'm I'm tense and I'm very passionate and like when I'm in I'm in like when when you're when you're working with me you get all of me right like when I when I'm on a stage I'm I am in the energy of every single person in that room. So my intensity sometimes weirds people out I can hold eye contact like the best of them um but it's the it it's also the rawness that so you you pair that many many Scorpio placements with my many many Sag placements. My my mouth is my thing is my tool yeah so I say I say the things that you need to hear but with such intense love because I want better for you. And if you want better for you then we're gonna do this shit together. So that's that's kind of how that shows up for me.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

Yeah well and I think a big theme of Scorpio too is facing your fears because they're there right like they're and so yeah all of that combined like having people dive in and like see that as well just feels like so yeah I can just like see that it's it's it's really interesting. How do you feel like that because your north node is actually it's in Taurus right and so the south node of like where you're comfortable or like things that you've kind of like already like been through multiple times is what's in Scorpio.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

How do you bring in or do you feel that you bring in that that north node what does it mean to you um I don't I don't know that I know enough about Taurus to really like it's one of those like if I go back and look at all my stuff you know because I I've got all kinds of things about it but it's not what it's not one of the areas that I've really like honed in and specialized in.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

So open open to feedback if you're if you're providing yeah I mean like Taurus so I I have a lot of Taurus like most of my stuff is in Taurus my sun my Mercury in my midheaven it's all like in Taurus in my 10th house. So there's so much of that to me but it's yeah it's very grounded right and I I like that the dynamic between Scorpio and Taurus. So like I I I have Pluto and Scorpio it's in my fourth house but it's square my moon. So my emotions that's why I'm I'm so wildly intense because it's just like there's no way around it right and I have Jupiter in my eighth house so that ties in. But then that Taurus energy it just kind of like it allows me to anchor in a little bit right where it's like I can get so lost in the intensity of things in my emotional experience and all of that. But then I have this like Taurus energy that kind of like just anchors me in right it is about self-worth right like building your self-worth or in your case maybe helping other people if we're talking business perspective right like helping other people build their self-worth seeing that in themselves it's about the material material realm like sensuality senses right so it's very like yeah very earthy and very grounded and very practical right it's kind of like like Taurus it's it's not that it doesn't like the moon loves to be in Taurus right and so I was going to say it's not that it doesn't like to feel but um I know it just has this this beautiful like anchor point if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

It well that yes that strikes a memory so I'm glad that you said that because the one of the things that people often say is like gosh I feel so so grounded when I'm with you. Like yes I have that I have a lot of fire in my chart but that groundedness that just like anchors people in that they feel like they've got two feet on the ground when we're doing work together, when we're having conversation you know like I'll have people come up to me after a keynote um I'm a hugger so I want yes if you want to hug yes I want to hug you and they'll be like oh my gosh I just feel so much better when I'm with you. And and I think that groundedness comes into play because a lot of times like the ideas are all over the place and we're moving 100 miles an hour and we're overstimulated and stuff and it's like when I'm with you yeah we're locking in but like I feel like I've got feet on the ground when we're done is is kind of the mentality. And then that practical part is that's what I was saying earlier. Like we can talk about energy we can talk about mindset. Okay but what are we gonna do with it? Even in my keynote a traditional keynote is a like a motivational talk even in my keynote I've got practical shit. Like I don't want to just I don't want to give you a firework moment that you feel inspired for the next 36 minutes and then you go back to you know your regular life I want you to walk away motivated and knowing what to do with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

So that practical that practicality comes into when I'm coaching inside the collective and when I'm working with the women inside of the mastermind or line like I want to make sure that by the time we are done talking you know exactly what to do next.

unknown 1:02:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:13

Or at least have a right next step to make. So that that for sure resonates.

Human Design Nerd Out And Clarity

SPEAKER_00 1:02:19

Yeah. Well and Taurus is also about like safety and security right and then I feel like couple that with also you're you're a cancer rising right so there is this like nurturing piece. I think that you can hold people in in the space that they're at in a in a such a you know what I would imagine in in a nurturing way while also yeah like going deep and having the depth and facing the fears and like doing all this stuff and like again with Uranus like maybe shocking them a little bit but it's like here it is but also like we're in this like I got you kind of energy and I think 100%. Yeah it's it's very cool. I did not pull your human design are you familiar with human design? Yeah five two splenic projector okay okay yeah I'm trying to figure out if like your north node because it's I'm trying to figure out if it's gate 23 do you are you familiar with like the gates or anything have you looked at that printed out right next to me I told you I'm a nerd for this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

No I am it's like I I know it enough like I like I can't teach it by any means but I know I I like to learn about myself.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

I love that you have it like a binder.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

I literally have a binder like I'm not like I'm not fucking around um what are you asking me for?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

Your north node does it do you know what gate does it say what gate it's in is it 23 what's the north node sign look like it looks like uh an it like a horseshoe horseshoe yeah um you want the number that's with it eight eight okay interesting okay because when you talk about so gate 23 is like the gate of like simplicity and so I was wondering because I know it's like my my son is my son is at 24 degrees so it's kind of close to your north node and I couldn't place if it was in that one or gotcha different gate. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Yeah I don't see anything in 23.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:11

Where's oh I've got no 23 is my is a hanging gate. I've got the opposite I've got 43. Okay but it doesn't connect to 23.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

Well but that also makes sense because 23 would be it's an energy that you're kind of like seeking right you don't necessarily I mean here's the thing with like human design and astrology you know like we all have it all within us it's just how it's expressed right so I think like having that pressure on it could make it bigger for you of like the the the desire the want or the need to like make things simple right like when things get overcomplicated then it can just like throw you and and even with a gate 43 like that's the gate of breakthrough right like you can't necessarily have a breakthrough if like shit's everywhere and it's like super complex and things don't make sense it's like you can't even you can't ground into that energy you know literally I I wish I could show you right now I literally just had my husband hang up I've had a whiteboard that I used to have at my agency that's been in my closet for years.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

And I was like there's just like a lot of things happening in my mind right now for a project that I'm working on in 2026. And I was like I I need to go vertical. I know I know I'm onto something when I want to go vertical but I want a place where I can make sense of it where I I need to find that clarity. I need to kind of find those pieces together. So and that's spot on.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Yeah well it's also so interesting too when I like know or learn people's you know astrology or human design to like see so like even with like right now with people who are watching on YouTube can see it. But like your background is black but then you have these you know you have green plants behind you as well. So it's just like this really interesting I mean that literally is like feels like such like Scorpio Taurus energy right behind you.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:48

Yeah. So okay this has been I don't know this has been so interesting. Like I'm you I feel like I'm also reinspired because honestly this past the Scorpio season has just kicked my ass in so many different ways. I'm just like I feel like I don't even know which way is that but this has been so inspiring to me to just be like all right we got to refocus because it's been I've been so scattered and it's and you know it's been a it's been a challenge but also um just kind of being reminded of what's important. So just on a personal level thank you I definitely think I need this conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:19

I'm I'm glad to know that and and take this as your reminder that sometimes you got to come up out of the trench and look at everything from the bird's eye. Right? We gotta you gotta you it sounds like you've been way deep in the trenches of all the different pockets and it's like I need you to pull back up get some air first of all yeah and then maybe just starting to kind of like reorganize and and re-sift through things uh do a little evaluation what still matters and what am I making myself do.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

If you run everything through that filter first that's going to give you a lot of clarity in its own.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:57

Yeah I love that definitely get a journal on that today. You got it so if you had like just one thing one tip or just one Piece of advice for people listening, what would it be?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

I want people to know that you're you're allowed to do it your way. You're allowed to do it your way. There's there's so many gosh, you could flip through your phone right now and find 80 different ways to do the same thing, and it's all going to be the best way ever. I want you to I want you to really start getting back into your own body. Like pausing before you make a decision. Pausing before you go to do something. Just like come back into yourself. Even doing that little exercise that I just shared with you, right? Like what still matters, what needs to go. And know that you can do this your own way. Yes, take influence. Yes, you know, absorb what resonates, but make it your own. Don't copy and paste somebody else's shit. Don't don't replicate somebody else's method because your life is not the same as theirs. Be be influenced and inspired by and lead with curiosity, but then make the shit your own. That's the only way it's going to work and feel good. Because things can work and feel like shit. So if you want, if you want it to work and you want it to feel good, I need you to adopt it into your own method, your own strategy, and find what works for you. Because my friend, that's the fucking sweet spot. I'm telling you it wins every time.

Where To Find And Work With Laura

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

Yeah, I love that. That's so powerful. Yeah. How can people work with you? How can they find you? Is there anything upcoming in 2026 that you're able to share that people can look forward to?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:54

Yeah, I've got um spaces open in Oraline, which is my mastermind for um women in business. So if you are at a growth point, a transition, a pivot, you're feeling like you're ready to do a little stretchy stretch, um, Oraline is a great place where I'm gonna get all up in your business in the best of ways. Um, so I've got spaces open for that. Um The Gutsy Collective, of course, is open and available. So if you're building um skills, if you are just rebuilding your confidence, getting to know who the hell you are again, starting to come back online, starting to wanting to feel good again. Um, the Gutsy Collective is a great next step. And uh the Gutsy Collect, um so many Gutsies. It's all Gutsy. The Gutsy Podcast, if you're not sure where to start, is a great first step. So if you like this type of topic, if you like my tone and my intensity, the Gutsy Podcast uh has got more than 500 episodes for you to dig into.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:50

Well, thank you so much for being here. Of course, we'll have everything in the show notes. Anybody listen can just go down there and click on it. Uh, yeah, I appreciate it so much. And it's so nice to have a conversation with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.