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243. Turning Pain Into Sacred Power
This week spoke with Cheryl Burns, spiritual teacher and healer, about supporting women to come into power.
In this episode, Cheryl and I talk about:
- turning pain into power
- Alchemy
- The ego & victim consciousness
- Finding that happiness
- Relationships
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Welcome to the Rochelle Christian podcast, formerly the Emotional Mastery podcast. I'm Rochelle, your host. I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms. This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive. We'll explore human design, astrology and other tools to help you understand your unique energy. More importantly, though, we're going to talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects. So each week, I'm going to share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic. So if you're ready to step up, take control and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to another episode on the podcast. Today I have such a beautiful conversation with Cheryl, and I'm going to get into all that in just a minute, but I do want to first of all apologize, because I realized last week, as I put out the episode on shadow work, that I did not do a transit episode this month, so I might do one next week, so it would be like a mid month sort of episode. But just know that this Saturday we have our Libra full moon and this is huge. Venus goes retro or sorry, venus goes direct right after the full moon and during the full moon, venus is conjunct Saturn, so this is really bringing in some structures. This is sort of this energy that, you know, some people talk about. This is breakup energy, this is letting things go energy and it is those things. But what I think more importantly is that anything that fell away during the last month, anything that fell away during this really intense eclipse season, this is giving you the energy to keep and hold those boundaries and to keep those things gone, so we're not letting them back in our life. Because I was listening to a podcast, too this morning David Guillaume, and he was talking about this is such a huge energy to really bring in your manifestations. Right, we have an airy sun, we have a Libra moon. The sun is conjunct Chiron, so it is going to bring up a lot of our deep-seated woundings.
Speaker 1:Right, chiron is our core wounds and we can't really. What I've learned along my journey is you can't really change Chiron. It's this energy of acceptance. It's like our shadows, sort of like last week's episode. When we accept our shadows, then we begin to be able to transmute it. And the biggest thing with Chiron is that when we accept our shadows and then we begin to help others in that same area, we're healing them and we're healing ourselves. So the healing work comes from using that pain to help others and I think a lot of people get into. You know, a lot of people in the healer space will say get into it because of their own suffering and because of their own pain and because of the journey that they've come, that they're able to help others because they so deeply understand that work and it's really, really beautiful. So this week again we have this full moon coming up. Next week I might do a really brief transit episode for the final end of the month. It's, you know, the energy is going to loosen up a little bit. It's been super, super intense, like it's been wild. The last month has felt like six months, like really, really, really intense. So it's kind of like already feeling a little bit better.
Speaker 1:If you didn't listen to last week's episode, go ahead and listen to it, because it was really good. But it's all about shadow work, how to do the shadow work. This is something that's really been coming up for me a lot lately is really moving through that and accepting and not fighting, and just a lot of rewiring. My subconscious has been coming up massively right how we can do this, how we can think more positive thoughts, how we can support ourselves, how we can really manifest the life that we desire. Right? I was sitting there in my email yesterday and it was like every other email was like don't do this, or you should be doing this, or this is why this isn't working, and I was like, holy shit, you guys, this is so oversaturated, not oversaturated, but we're bombarded from everywhere telling us what to do. And the thing is, yes, all of that advice is so beautiful and it works for someone, but it doesn't all mean that it works for you. And what happens is our attention is constantly well, this person says this, and this person says this, and this person says this and this person says this. Right, there are generally a core set of rules, and this is part of my personal rulebook, I guess my own, something I follow.
Speaker 1:But when I was going to school for photography, I've always been, you know, really interested in art, and for a long time, I think my Mars in Capricorn was like we got to follow the rules right. We got to like follow every single rule that set out for us. But when I was learning photography, something that was said in one of my classes was like you really have to understand the reason. So you don't have to be especially for any, actually for anything, unless you're being a doctor or a lawyer or something like that. You really don't need a degree.
Speaker 1:But what I found really useful was that, especially with when it comes to something artistic, the beautiful thing about having a degree is that you really get to understand the rules and the basics of photography so you get to understand how to manipulate lighting. You get to understand the rules and the basics of photography so you get to understand how to manipulate lighting. You get to understand all of the basics, the core foundational rules, air quoting of photography so that when you break those rules you understand why you're doing it and it makes it a little bit more powerful. And it's not to say that you know, if you don't go through a photography degree, you can't be a photographer. No, by no means is that what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I simply appreciated the education on it because I really really understood at a whole new level the foundation and basics of photography, and so I take that into everything in my life, right, I love to understand the foundations and the basics and I will play with those, I'll experiment with those and then I'll break them. And so the last I would say I don't know, it feels like a month, but it's probably only been a couple of weeks, but I've really really been experimenting with the Instagram algorithm, with marketing, with how you need to, how you quote, unquote should be doing things according to the rule book, and once you understand those things, then you could kind of break them. Because, at the end of the day, I truly believe it's all frequency. That's what it is. It's more about the energy I'm bringing to it. And the most important thing is, if I'm taking aligned action in alignment with my frequency, if I'm honoring myself and taking aligned action accordingly, that's where the magic is.
Speaker 1:And I was having this like realization yesterday. I was going through my email and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so much like I should be doing this and I was unsubscribing to people. And then I went on Instagram and there was this reel of this woman. I don't even know if I followed her or not, but she had like four point something million followers, and she was like the reason I became so successful, the reason why I have so many followers is because I don't care. She creates for herself, obviously for other people as well, but she creates what excites her. She creates reels that are fun for her and in doing so, the information she's bringing is landing so much more with people because she's in her purpose and in her power. And so after I was like kind of had this little moment yesterday, I was like, okay, I'm throwing out the rules again, trying my own experiment. I'm going to stop looking at the numbers and I'm just going to do this because I absolutely love this, right.
Speaker 1:I think sometimes, especially when you're an entrepreneur or you have a business working for yourself, like obviously there are financial time crunches and I felt like that was coming up. But you know what? Money is easy. Money is easy to make. I can go get a bartending job I can. There's so many ways that I can make money. I can sell something I can, whatever. There's so many ways to make money. It's easy. So to stop stressing about that part and just going back to creating because I love it, right, and so that's sort of where I'm at right now. But again, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1:So this episode is with Cheryl Cheryl Burns, and Cheryl is a spiritual teacher and healer. She helps women turn their pain into power, allowing them to reach higher states of consciousness, love and bliss. She is here for the woman who wants it all the love, pleasure and a deep sense of purpose. And this conversation was really good. We talked a lot about dating, romance, sort of being in relationship, how it's a mirror to us. We talk about, you know, turning our pain into power, the alchemy of that ego and victim, victim consciousness, finding happiness. Really it was such a good, good conversation. So I'm really excited to share this with you.
Speaker 1:And again, next week will be a solo and I probably do a transit episode. It'll just be like half of the month because obviously I forgot to do it last week, but it is all good. And then, oh my gosh, I like can't even believe we're almost halfway through April already. It's kind of. But Empower is opening again very soon so you can get on the waitlist for that. That's down in the show notes and one-on-one coaching is available for three or six months, depending on the level of accountability you want. So that link is also in the show notes or you can DM me over on Instagram and we could chat about it. Send me an email, rochelle, at RochelleChristiancom. At Instagram. I'm at rochellechristian. That's R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E, dot, c-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-e. Website is rochellechristiancom. Again, everything you need to know is the show notes.
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Speaker 1:Today I have Cheryl Byrne, who is a spiritual teacher and healer who helps women turn their pain into power, and this is such a beautiful topic or not topic, the word I'm looking for is escaping me, but I think that's alchemy, and it's such a beautiful place to be and to help heal in that area. I mean, we're going to get into it, I'm sure, and I'm sure you have a story and I have a story, and it is that pain into power that is such an empowering and beautiful place to be in and it feels like you'll never get there right in the beginning. So I love to hear that, that that's the purpose and intention behind what you do. So we'll start. I'm just going to hand the floor to you for you to really, you know, introduce yourself and kind of share as much or as little as you like about your story. Any like pivotal moments that kind of got you to where you are now.
Speaker 2:Thanks so much and thanks so much for this opportunity. I'm excited for this conversation. I love that you mentioned alchemy, because that's what it is, and I think it was last year that I realized, wow, this is actually what I specialize in. You know, I've spent so long and I think people in this purpose led world we can try and be like what am I, what do I do? And it can be so hard to pin ourselves into one thing, because I have so many different modalities that I use to work with people. I have so many different modalities that I use to work with people, but essentially it is that it's inner alchemy, allowing women to access the depths of their soul and seeing. Everything that they've been through in this life has been for a reason, and we learn through contrast, and a lot of people have experienced things that they may perceive as negative, but really I'm here to teach them that that's exactly what's meant to catapult you into the reality that you want, to show you the contrast in Like there is polarity there, there's polarity on this earth, and it's like well, if the opposite is happening, the opposite is there for you as well that you can really tap into.
Speaker 2:And I guess, to tie in my piece and my story of how I got here to doing this work is about seven years ago. I was in a relationship, thought this was the person I was going to marry, thought I was going to have kids with him. We were living together, beautiful home, it looked picture perfect. And then the rug was pulled out from underneath me when he broke up with me and I thought it was the worst thing that ever happened to me. But it was really the catalyst for my growth because I went to therapy. I had been in therapy for a while and I think I had years ago been in therapy as well. But this was the thing like. This was the thing that literally I thought like if that didn't break me, nothing's going to break me. That was the thing that I was like, determined to try and uncover why my life was the way it was. I really, I was really in victim consciousness.
Speaker 2:At that point. I really thought I was held and dealt an unlucky hand in this life. I was like everybody else is, like getting married, having kids, doing all these things, and what is wrong with me? Why is it not working for me? And when I delved deeper into therapy, therapy for me first was just to survive. It was literally for me to survive Because when I dug deeper and deeper, I started seeing the patterns that I had all throughout my life that I didn't face up to and I wasn't conscious of.
Speaker 2:I had seasons of depression, suicidal ideations, anxiety, 24 seven, and I just didn't realize it. And the deeper and deeper I went into therapy, I started getting more into personal development as well and my therapist at the time, through many years of seeing her, was like I just want you to go do something. That wasn't with the friendship circle that I had been with, because they were doing their own thing, and rightly so. Everyone has to look out for themselves. But it meant that I spent a lot of time alone and the loneliness creeped in and through this I ended up just delving into personal development, started getting deeper and deeper into spirituality, didn't even realize I was getting into spirituality, I was meditating for my anxiety and then I started connecting with angels and having all these like outer body experiences that just felt so good.
Speaker 2:And then I suppose I was drawn into the world of manifestation, because let's call a spade a spade I was like I still want my husband, I still want these external things. So I just delved deeper and deeper into it and I had started my business and I didn't realize it took a couple of years in to actually realize all the unresolved trauma from that relationship came up and I suppose that had me, had me. I didn't have a choice because it was within my body. It was like I had cleared all the anxiety out of my body and then all of a sudden, through nightmares, night terrors started happening again because they had been happening when I was in the relationship. But it was like I didn't see it. I had rose tinted glasses on and I thought like my life would be perfect if that person just took me back.
Speaker 2:He kept coming in and out of my life for two years and then it was like something hit me. It was like that relationship was so toxic and it was like all this trauma had to be met head on. And that was so freeing. And a lot of times people think that because I remember some friends saying to me oh yeah, sometimes we just we choose not to see things. And I fully believe that sometimes we're not ready to face things because my body would have showed it to me. And this is the big thing about inner alchemy. It's like letting your body guide you, letting your body lead the way, and really for me, it's just been about following the breadcrumbs of different modalities that I've been interested different coaches, different healers, trying it all and trying it all on for size, making it my own so that I can then teach other people how to make it their own as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's beautiful and I think that you know going through those challenges, even though in the moment they feel like never ending, you know, and it feels so overwhelming and like, oh my gosh, you know.
Speaker 1:I think on the other side of it, and the more I guess that you go through those challenges, then it's almost like you know, sometimes I look around, you know my life. I'm like I'm divorced, single mom, you know, I've the whole thing, you know, that's it's so would be so easy to just look around and be like, oh my gosh, everybody's been in relationships for 10 plus years. They've have a stable family, secure income come, and then I'm like you know, but then it wouldn't be my journey, it wouldn't be my story if that was my life, you know. And so, as challenging it is, sometimes it's also kind of cool to look at it from the other side of like what is coming, you know, because I choose my happiness, you know, and I was in a really bad relationship too and I left that about seven years ago as well.
Speaker 1:I think our story is kind of parallel in that timeframe there and that for me that was like you know, you talk about body and a lot of what I teach is emotions and body, because every single time I've been in a situation that I was ignoring sort of similar where you're not ready to see it or you're making excuses for it or anything my body has made me ill in some way. It's like it gets to see it, or you're making excuses for it or anything. My body has made me ill in some way.
Speaker 1:It's like it gets to the point where you have to face it. You know it's like it's unavoidable, and so it's like come become this big thing and I don't. You know we don't have to get to that point. But if we don't get there, you will right, like, your body will catch up to you and be like no, you need to.
Speaker 2:You need to pay attention to this it's knocking, it's gonna knock, it's gonna wake you up. And just to your point there about like we all have this tendency of victim consciousness where we can look to everybody else's journey. I myself was there. It was like why is we can all look to everybody else? I think everybody else has it figured and everybody else's journey is better. And that's the thing the ego does. It likes to keep us in separation from everybody. So we can look to our family, we can look to our best friends and think they have it better than us and it's we're all on our own journey and we have to trust in our soul's journey and we'll never fully know what our soul is here to actually take us on this path, for what we have and we can get into that a bit later if the conversation goes that way our sole purpose, but it's like we'll never fully know what's here for us in this moment. But we have to trust that my journey is my journey and the what I'm making it mean about me is what my ego is making it mean, because nothing has meaning but the meaning we give it.
Speaker 2:And I remember going into a deep somatic practice when I was still holding on to the victim consciousness of I'm in suffering because my person isn't here yet I'm in pain and I went into a practice and I got the download as clear as day. It's not that the person, the man, isn't here, it's the story that you're giving yourself, that he's not here and that's what's keeping you in suffering. I was like, oh okay, I'm holding onto this story because I have clients that come to me who, like us, have had the toxic relationships, who are single moms as well. I'm not a single mom, but some of them are single moms. Some of them don't have children. So it's like the single moms are battling with being single moms. There is single women battling with will I ever have children? And then there's also the people who are in partnership that are kind of like I have too much going on in my life to be able to start the business, like.
Speaker 2:So everybody's at their own. Everybody has their own story and it's until we come into deep acceptance of this is my journey, your journey is your journey. And, yes, we're all here to teach each other something. The divinity is within all of us, but right now, this is where I am, and can I choose to see that and can I choose to use this as a platform for my growth? Because things can change in an instant, and they really can. Anything that can exist does exist in the quantum field and really, when we're getting so entangled in this reality of I'm stuck here, I have no place to move, I can't go anywhere, we don't open up the windows of possibility for the universe to deliver what we actually want into our lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's such a powerful place to be in. Like, I try and do that, I try and zoom out when I'm feeling those things, because what really opened me up to is when you think, like you said, your ego is always well, they have it this way and their life is like this and theirs is like this. Everybody has that, so even the life that some some days I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm 38 and my life is like this. Somebody else is looking from the inside out and be like man. I wish I had that for whatever aspect of it, you know. And so the ability to zoom out and, yeah, detach from that, those that narrative, and to be able to choose and be like I don't choose. That you know because, yeah, your reality is your perspective, you know what you see.
Speaker 1:What was it I think it was Henry Ford that said, if, if you believe or you don't believe, either way you're right, and I tell my kids that all the time my kids will be like I can't do it. I said, well, if you can't, then you, you can't, but if you believe that you can, you will. You know, trying to have that like reframe, because it really is powerful to realize that a we're all connected because we're all thinking the same thing, just on different levels of you know of it.
Speaker 2:We're all connected, like we're all connected to one another, and it's the collective consciousness. What are we putting out to the universe? And exactly that henry ford quote, it's literally like, you know, from a spiritual lens, you know, it's very much like God has granted us all, and whether it's God, whether it's source, but whatever way people like to to reframe it I use them interchangeably, but it's like God is so loving and has gifted you free will and it's like. So if you think that you aren't worthy of doing, what of the partnership, of the business, of the aligned clients? Yep, the universe is going to say, yep, that's what I put in front of you.
Speaker 2:But if you start believing that you can't, you, you are. You can start seeing that show up in your reality and it doesn't have to take a very long time. And this is what people get so caught up in is because they start making time mean something about them. Again, again, it's the making something mean something. But I love what you said there.
Speaker 2:You were going back and I think we can even tie it back to the work that you're doing. Your body is going to show you. Your body is going to show you those distortions, like, does it feel expansive for you to think that something is impossible, or does it feel like, if we're in the imagine, if frequency that feels so light to me, but if I'm in a frequency of it's never going to happen, oh my goodness, like there's panic, like there's restriction in my chest straight away and it's like it only takes a moment to like tune into your body, to be kind of like does that feel good or does that not feel good? Because if it doesn't feel good, it's not really in alignment with my highest truth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's been a huge part of my practice is coming in and just listening to it and just be like okay, this doesn't feel good or this does, or what do I want to feel? You know, in those simple reframes of like, why not me Like, why not? You know, when there's something that you want, it's not like in your current reality. It's like always try and like, have those reframes and something that um, are you familiar with human design?
Speaker 2:I know a small bit about myself, but okay, not too much. Do you know what you are um?
Speaker 1:I'm a money gen two four okay, because I you gave me your information, but not your birth time so I wasn't sure exactly.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's okay but yeah, I figured because that was like the most so, uh, two, four manifesting generator at sequel, right, you not emotional? Okay, yeah, because I think so. That's to me. That was the modality that like kind of came in my world when I was like deep in this healing, like I had started the meditations, I had been journaling, I was moving, I was trying to connect with my intuition. I was just like, but there was something that I just couldn't like connect with, something about myself, and then that came in and I was like, oh my gosh, it like gave me this ability to see myself in a beautiful way.
Speaker 1:But even like, aside from human design, what I think is so beautiful about the system is that it's teaching you to get into your body.
Speaker 1:So, regardless of your authority, whether you're sacral or whether you're emotional or spleenic, whatever it is, the purpose is just getting you in the body. It's giving you like a tool and it's giving you a way to get in there, but like getting familiar with what that feels like. And I think that, like you said, we all have free will and I think sometimes, even when we make a decision that's right for us in our body, like things can change and I think we get really hooked on. Well, my body said it was right, so why didn't it happen? You know, and I think sometimes there's a practice of just like letting go and be like, well, things change, Like it was right in the moment when I made that decision. Maybe you know, but I think that practice of like trusting that is really powerful. Yeah, I'd be like, do you feel like you connect with that sacral? Has that been something that you've like noticed throughout your life?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, even before I unlocked my intuitive gifts, I had like sacral hits, just these knowings, and I think sometimes, I think I think it can exactly as you say it can be right at a time, because I remember that relationship that I was in, that man that I met. I remember the first night I met him I got a download, like. It was literally like this is the man you're going to marry and I hung on to that story and it didn't mean I was wrong. It meant that he was supposed to be there for a season in my life and there's infinite possibilities, infinite timelines. I'm sure there would have been a timeline that existed where I did marry him. I'm very grateful and that that reality didn't happen.
Speaker 2:But it's like it doesn't mean that you're wrong. Sometimes your intuition is leading you to something for you to learn a different lesson. We think that it has to be so linear that like, oh, I've been led to something and therefore I made a wrong decision, and it's like it's never wrong, everything is perfect, like if it was supposed to happen or not supposed to happen, it wouldn't have happened or it would have happened. It's like trust where you are right now is perfect. But it's about what I find, because when that happened to me, I lost trust with myself. I completely lost trust and completely questioned myself. Well, if I was wrong, then am I wrong with this and this and this?
Speaker 2:So I spent a long time in this journey connecting back to myself and connecting back to my body and back to my intuition, because I was completely dissociated from my body and it was the one thing that I just love bringing people to is that connection with their soul, with their body, whatever, whatever way you want to say, but there's so much wisdom, as you well know, within there, trapped like like I didn't even realize what was in, whether it's in the body or energy field.
Speaker 2:Like I was raised as catholic and I would have said like, oh no, I'm not religious or anything like that. But things that I have unlocked within myself in the last few months and few weeks have all been down to like beliefs that I've had that have been told to me when I was in school, because I went to Catholic school, and I'm like, oh my god, I logically I didn't even believe that, but I can't believe that I was carrying that and it was holding me back from actually believing that I'm a good person believing that it's okay to actually want my desires, things like that, that I was like whoa. So when we go into the body, it's very important to know that there may be something. You may have made decisions in the past and maybe you've experienced this as well where you've made decisions in the past and it creates this wobble because you feel like, oh, maybe I wasn't the right thing to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that I think this is really important to note, like this conversation that we're having now too, because that may have been true, like you said in that moment, right, but timeline shift, there's human error. Like people change, people choose different paths, and I think that we, yeah, we stopped trusting ourselves when something that we believed, because the mind hung onto that, you know at the end of the day it went from a body knowing in the moment.
Speaker 1:But it's also like, what was your body saying yes to? Was it saying yes to whatever you were doing in that moment? That felt really good. It was saying yes to him in that moment. That felt good.
Speaker 1:But, like you know, with us, like keeping to check in with yourself and tune into yourself, like and I've, I've, I'm, emotional authority, so my knowing takes a little bit longer. But I mean, I've stayed in relationships for well over two years with people that I knew weren't right but had just enough Right that I was like, well, maybe they'll change or maybe they'll show up, and that was, you know, me and my low self-worth right, because I it wasn't trusting my body and because I have to take a long time sometimes to come to a conclusion. It's like there's so many variables in there and I'm like, well, it felt really good the other day, but like now, today, it doesn't feel good. You know what I mean. So it's like it is like coming into that body and then coming to that neutral space. Right, that's always like. This is I always had the same knowing when I came there.
Speaker 1:But then it would fluctuate right and I'd go up and down and be like well, well yeah but, and I think, sorry, go, oh no. No, that's fine, I was just saying, but at the end of the day we're like in hindsight when I look back. I knew early on what the answer was.
Speaker 2:I feel like, for me, my body knew, because I, like I mentioned earlier, I was having like night terrors. He would have to wake me up in the middle of the night. I would be screaming, crying, I had night sweats, like my body was telling me run. But I wasn't willing to listen to my body because I wasn't in tune with it. But I was so much in scarcity and lack that I had that one download, that, knowing that he's going to be my husband, and I was like, well, we only have one soulmate, and if I leave him, where does that leave me? I'm going to be alone forever. I'm whatever, I'm in my 30s, I'm not going to have kids, all of these things. And it was so.
Speaker 2:Any time that I went there with my mind, my whole body was like panic, panic, panic, like panic, panic, panic. So I wasn't like expanded enough in my awareness of the truth of this universe, of the universe been abundant, of us having many soulmates and of of thinking that, like you don't need to, and I hate this expression because one therapist therapist used to say to me the whole time, like settling for breadcrumbs, like somebody that's so inconsistent that one day is like yeah, we're getting married, and then the next, barely speaking. To me, it's just kind of like when you come to a place and you mentioned self-worth when you come to that place within yourself, you begin to see the truth and you begin to actually realize that, no, this isn't worth it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had for a long time like a lot of triggers in, specifically in relationships. I always say this like if I'm not in a relationship I'm pretty relatively emotionally neutral, like I'm good, and as soon as that relationship hits, I'm like all of them, like everywhere. But I tend to like I do have quite a few triggers in relationships. But I came to a point where I was like you know what, I'm just going to trust whatever my body is telling me, whether it's a memory or whatever, and just pause and just explore what that is, because, even though it could be just going back to the past, I felt empowered more of just being like okay, but there's also something in this moment that's causing this to come up right, and it doesn't have to mean that this relationship isn't right, but there's something going on.
Speaker 1:And for somebody to continually activate that within me, I feel like there's a point where, yes, I think we're mirroring each other in relationships and we're doing the work and also sometimes we don't have to run into the fire every day for years. There comes a point where that lesson is you're going to move through it, or maybe it's just not right, I don't know. But that that was for me? I just started listening to my body. Was the point of that right it's was coming in and trusting that? Okay, this could be or, you know, may or may not be something to do with this person in the moment, but I'm just going to listen to it.
Speaker 2:I love that because I was having this conversation with somebody this morning and it's like we're literally going to date the person with date, a different person with, or the same person with a different face, because life is going to be mirroring back to you. You are meeting whatever the vibrational match to you and, yes, to your point, maybe, maybe it is the person. But if you don't face it and meet it in the moment with what's there for you, with whatever that is whether that's leave or stay, but there is that option and I love that you brought that in here there is that option to stay, to face it. I know I've been in situations where knowing that the person isn't a bazillion percent right for me, but my soul is like, no, you're meant to teach each other something, something because it's something I have a whole program based on, like attracting a soul aligned person, how I went from somebody with narcissistic tendencies to meeting beautiful soul aligned men. But it's like sometimes there's situations where it's like this isn't your forever person, but there's something here for you now.
Speaker 2:And to be able. You know, for example, it was about taking up space, asking for what I needed in that moment. They were big things and to be able. You know, for example, it was about taking up space, asking for what I needed in that moment. They were big things and to be able to do it with somebody, with somebody in their divine masculine that's able to hold space, is so freaking beautiful and it's so healing in itself for us as women who have been in toxic relationships, who have been told we're too much, who have been gaslit, all the things to actually be able to meet yourself. Cause it's scary to take up space when you've been told that you're too much, but when you do it, it's like you're literally like opening up the spaciousness for your truth to come through.
Speaker 1:I have so much love for relationships like that because I've been in a couple where it wasn't the one, but the ability to have a man or masculine or whatever, sit there and me say whatever it is, that I have to say, however big my feelings are, and not feel belittled, not feel manipulated, and then just be like okay, like let's talk about it, like what's going on is was like the first time that happened I was like wait, what?
Speaker 1:This is possible, what's happening, you know it's, it is really beautiful to. Then then you can, you know, take the mask or the armor off or whatever. And that for me, like my most recent relationship, that was like that. I feel like I was actually able to step into my feminine and I had never felt that in any relationship before, cause I've always had to just be independent and you know whatever it is and and keep myself guarded and to be able to just be like oh, like I actually like being taken care of and not in like a redefining what that submissive term means, right, cause I think a lot of us have like a skewed view of what that really means, but like being led, it like felt really good. I didn't realize I needed that until I got it, and then I was like, oh wow, this is what's been missing in a lot of relationships that I've been in.
Speaker 2:But it's so like it's all of the polarity teachings. It's like so many women are waiting to meet this masculine man but they're showing up in their masculine. So it's not possible to draw in that masculine man if you have that armor up that you mentioned. That armor up it's like how do you think that somebody is going to? Because, back to, we're meeting somebody that's a vibrational match to us and a lot of times people think that that's oh, as in outwardly like whether they are successful or whether they have a house or things like that. And you know, I I meet people that are with, that have been with narcissistic partners, and they're like but how am I a match to that? Like that's somebody that shows up being calculated or but it's like, underneath it all, somebody that's going around hurting somebody else. Their self-worth isn't good, their self-worth, they're not solidified in themselves. So it's like we're attracting from that vibrational state. So it's not possible to meet somebody in that divine masculine if we're so protected and guarded. I'm worried about being hurt, because this is a big thing as well.
Speaker 2:I remember navigating a season in my life where I was calling in lovely men but they were like really safe and it was like, okay and I see this with clients the whole time now it's like, yeah, they're just, they're just not that amazing or whatever. And it's like, well, because you're protecting yourself, you're not fully willing to open your heart up and let that barrier, those barriers down, because you're so afraid that the person's going to leave. And it's really like, well, if you want big love in your life, you have to let those barriers down. You have to let yourself be seen Vulnerabilities, flaws and all Because, at the end of the day, if that person was to walk out the door in the morning, you're not, you're not supposed to be OK with these barriers up. It's almost like, oh, I'm going to be OK, if they leave, I'll be fine, I know. Yeah, I know, we're all okay.
Speaker 2:Like for anybody single out there, yeah, you've been through a lot. It's like, but we don't need to put up these. It's not about, like you needing a person or not needing a person. You're completing your whole as you are. But it's this desire for human connection and what you mentioned before, that person marrying you from a spiritual level this is so much more about your evolution and growth. You've been in divine union with another person is literally them marrying back pieces of you so that you can grow and evolve. So it's like there's this, some sometimes there's this distortion and thinking that like it's it's wrong to want the person or something external. It's not about the person giving you the happiness or anything. It's because they're meant to bring things back to you for you to look at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think a lot of times in you know relationships, I completely lost what I was going to say. I like started saying in this sentence, just like escaped my mind.
Speaker 1:It was a dynamic it was a dynamic we were talking about within relationships. Oh, I remember what it was. What you were talking about, like being in safe, like with safe people, and I think that a lot of times yeah, because we've been through like whatever it is in relationship dynamics, it's like we're seeking. It's like I found myself in this weird place as I was like healing, where it's like I wanted the peace but my trauma was keeping me in the chaos. But it was like I could see it where I was like I actually don't want to be in here, like I want to stop.
Speaker 1:I want like somebody to bring me peace and just the awareness of like a lot of times the people that I have dated that did feel safe was because there was no, they weren't activating me in any way, and it's like why is that boring? You know, like I think that we do label that Well, he's just boring and it's like he's just activating your trauma, you know, and so, and that in itself, like those relationships that I have decided to explore, like that in itself is confronting. So I'm like, well, who am I without all this stuff? Like who can I show up and be? So it's so interesting relationships and dating and everything, and because it's like each new person, I find just there's a different mirror, there's a different layer and it's like everyone I feel like gets better and better, because I've learned something from the one before, right, and then you, just it's just a beautiful evolution of yourself.
Speaker 2:It really is. And it just brings me back to something that we um, we were talking about earlier on, um with the Henry Ford thing or whoever it was, with that quote, like life marrying it back because there's so many people that are going, there's no good men out there, there's no good women, and it's like they're all this, they're all that, and it's like, well, if you're going to generalize, that's what's going to be mirrored back to you. You're going to get that proven to you over and over again. And it's not about like just flipping a switch and being like everybody's amazing, but it's like can you open your mindset up a little bit? And for me, what I had to do was I had to start following men on social media like Lewis Howes, jay Shetty, john Wineland, david Data, like men who are more in their masculine, so that I could see that it was possible. And then, the more and more I did the internal shifts on myself and broaden my perspective, the more and more of those men started showing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so powerful. Do you know Lacey Phillips and her work? No, okay, well, anyway, just what you were saying. She part of her. She's a manifestation coach, but part of her process is finding expanders, just like you said, like you're finding people or relationships or situations that show your subconscious mind that it is possible. And, exactly like you said, you see it and then you're doing the work and then you're able to call those into your reality, because now you believe that that's possible, you know and that's so powerful and, yeah, it's such a cool place to be.
Speaker 2:Totally, and I love you said that and you believe it's possible, because I think a lot of people get tripped up here and I used to get tripped up here as well. It's not about believing that 100%, like sometimes you have that belief in self and that deep knowing that something's going to happen. But oftentimes it's not about like that 100% knowing it's going to happen, but it's believing it's possible for you, because when you don't believe it's possible, you just close off that possibility even coming in. But it's about, as you said, the expander just allowing yourself just even for a moment to go wouldn't it be fun, or imagine if this happened and allowing yourself to even slowly, gently go there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that belief is everything. Yeah, so, going back a little bit to like when you kind of opened yourself up to like your spiritual gifts so it's a kind of a layered question or maybe like a two-part question what would you consider to be your gifts? And also, before that point, were you experiencing them at all, or was it something that just like kind of came online during that phase of your life?
Speaker 2:No, I hadn't been experiencing them at all. I had started doing different courses, different manifestation courses. I had done coaching certification, so I knew that I was starting like a coaching business. I think I probably started a coaching business. Hadn't really taken off or anything. And then one day I heard and this manifestation course was all about like trusting, so I was developing a deeper sense of trust within myself.
Speaker 2:And then on a podcast I heard a spiritual teacher speaking and I was like I need to work with her, had never heard her speak before and I was like I need to work with her and I went on her website and she had these like soul mentors on her website and I got that, knowing I'm going to be on that website, still had no idea what her course actually was Booked into a call with her and I knew that from reading about her course. It was unlock your intuitive gifts, to teach you how to read energy, to teach you the Akashic records and different healings like past life healings and I can't even remember all the healings because I feel like I've done so much since then. But it was just following that nudge. And on that call with her I literally was like I don't know about this because, reading energy I went to an intuitive a few times. I had no interest in reading energy Like I was like I don't want to go there, that's a bit out there for me, like no freaking way. And she had like three levels of courses, and this course I was talking to about was level three. And she was like maybe you should come and do level one. And I was like no, if I'm doing anything, it's level three. I just knew within me, um, and I didn't have that much trust built in myself. This, like I said, it was just the little things making this decision literally changed my life, though, because it was literally following that nudge and realizing at the time it made.
Speaker 2:No, I was doing a second coaching certification. I was in my nine to five. I was doing the manifestation course. It was, you know, it was a lot of money for me at the time. There was a lot of reasons why my ego would have said not to do it, but I did it.
Speaker 2:The first few weeks in that course I was like what the hell? Like what am I doing here? There's so many gifted people. A lot of them had done levels one and levels two. They had already met their spirit guides. They were a lot of them were Reiki practitioners and I was just like what in the world am I doing here? And then, within about like two weeks, two to three weeks, something clicked. I don't know what it was. I just started getting information. My channel just opened up. I started getting information. I still I still laugh at this because some of one of my friends who did the course as well, um, another time was like I still haven't met my spirit guides. I'm like either of I and I remember my first exam. It was like, well, cheryl, where are you getting the information? And like, is it your spirit guide? And I was like I don't know, the information's just coming. That's the thing. When we unlock these things, they become so easy. They just started flowing through me and just since then, like I started doing energy readings, building healings into my energy and my readings as well.
Speaker 2:I do energy activations, I do somatic work with clients and inner child. Like I use so many different modalities, but for me it's not necessarily about, oh, this is a modality not unless it's a course or program but say, if I'm doing one to one work with somebody or in a mastermind space, it's literally I meet you where you're at, I meet your soul, and I would say that one of the best things about my gifts is I see your ego and I see your soul. I see what's blocking you, but I also see that potential for you. I see the highest possible timeline for you. I see where you're not where you're meant to be, but the potential that's there for you. You know, whether it's writing the book, whether it's on stage speaking, whether it's helping millions of people, whatever it is, I see that for you and I think limitless potentiality, limitless possibilities.
Speaker 2:Nobody like people that come into my world aren't here to play small, and it's like through the intuitive gifts I'm led. Their soul leads me. A lot of my work is about bringing somebody on a journey so that they too, they get to access the wisdom that's within them. They go on a journey sometimes, I think in my sessions, sometimes I'm like they're doing all the work because you're meeting your soul, you're seeing it, you're getting the insight for yourself, because that, to me, is what's more powerful. I can tell you, I can sit and I can read your energy all day long, but there's a bigger piece at play here and it's like you connecting with your intuition I don't mean you personally, I mean you speaking to the client that comes into my world is like let's you connect with yourself so that you are no longer going outside of yourself, putting other coaches and mentors on a pedestal. You connect with yourself so that you can bring your magic to the world, because a lot of us who have been in toxic relationships it's the gateway into spirituality.
Speaker 2:But I also feel like a lot of times the gateway into spirituality is the gateway into us living, into our purpose, because we came here with a deep sense of purpose and a lot of times we don't feel that level of fulfillment. Like for me, if the person had come, if the man had come a few years ago, I still wouldn't feel fulfilled. In that I'm here with a bigger mission and I believe we're all here for a bigger mission. I don't believe any of your audience are listening to this podcast with not a big, bigger mission. I don't believe any of your audience are listening to this podcast with not a big, deep sense of purpose within them and all of our gifts are all unique and they can just look so different to us. I think a lot of people come to me for readings. My voice is going and they want and it's so funny, I'm feeling a lot of throat chakra activation going on.
Speaker 2:Excuse me, but some people come and you'll know this from human design as well they're looking for their gifts and it's like, oh, but like you are the gift.
Speaker 2:You, your energy, your encoding everything that you've been through in this life.
Speaker 2:A lot of times we think that people you know need to be brought in this structure or this teaching, but a lot of times it's like what they get from coming into our space as space holders. And I remember, like me, working with a therapist years ago when I was in such a dark place and I remember her saying to me I was recommended by a friend to her and I remember just sitting with her and she said to me, like we'll get through this together, cheryl, and it was the first time, like I think I'd probably been two or three years on that journey after the breakup and it was the first time somebody said to me we'll get through this together. It wasn't, you'll get through this, and sometimes that's what people need. So, if there's anybody, I feel like this is just a message of if you're feeling like your purpose, like you're looking for it and trying to find the modality, oftentimes it's not about a particular modality You'll be led to the modality, but really it's about you your energetic imprint.
Speaker 1:I love that, yeah, and I think that you know human design too. When I start sessions, I remind people that you're already whole, like this isn't telling you what's missing or anything. And I think, too, a lot of times we don't like our gifts are innate to us, and so I think we're chasing something that we see, that somebody else, you know, like I. I don't see like visions, I don't see like spirits, but that's something I'm always like. For me, my whole life was like well, I'm not seeing ghosts, I'm not speaking to go, so I must not have any sort of psychic gifts, right? My gift is emotions, my gift is feeling, my like. I do see things in my mind, but it's not like anything that confuses me. So, the point being that I think we're always looking for something that isn't naturally already inside of us, and it's like if we just turn in and look like, oh, wow, like feeling is actually my psychic power, and so it's like now, how do I refine that Cause? That one I feel like is confusing. So it's just like this feeling and knowing, right, but then it's like what? But I did, um, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I think it was 2021 in the summer I did like a psychic course Cause I was just like so fascinated. I had met a psychic and she like did a reading for me and I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing, and I'm also a manifesting generator. So I'm like all the rabbit holes, I will go down all of them. And I remember being in this class with so many like experienced psychics and I was like, what am I doing here? Why did I even join this?
Speaker 1:And so we like broke off and just I just did this simple like described a rose. They asked me to describe it like what it looked like, the texture, and I was reading this for somebody and I was like how does this even make sense? And then they asked a question and basically just asked me to describe the feeling I was getting from the rose. And so I kind of did and the person was like you were spot on. And I'm like what? How? Because it doesn't make sense. I think that's with all this conversation with intuition, with our psychic abilities, conversation with intuition, with our psychic abilities, with whatever it is, it's beyond logic and we have to like come in and trust that and to come into what is already within us and not like seek something outside of us, because, just like the beginning of the conversation, the ego is always looking well, they have this and they do this and, but I can't do that. So that means I'm less than, and it's just not true.
Speaker 2:But I love what you did and you actually went and went. Okay, that's my gift and that's what I'm going to hone in on because I think this is so important when I was in that course that I did. I remember a girl saying she was insane at what she did and I remember her saying to me like, oh my goodness, like she could see amazing visions. She, she just was so gifted. And I remember her coming to me one day, going I just wish that I had the connection with the angels, like you do. I was like what I wish I? And it was just such a reminder. It's like we're all looking to other people going what do you have? I don't have it, whereas it really it's that refinement of what do I know to be true about me and can I just focus on that and can I trust that all other things will come online?
Speaker 2:Because once you hone in on that like that feeling thing because for me a lot of times it is that feeling that knowing, or I used to sit and meditate before reading and a lot of information had come through Now, for me, my calls is just typically, I get on the calls, I may feel into the energy for a little bit before it, but the information will just flow through me. But it wasn't that way always. It started with me meditating for 30 minutes before the call and it's just more things come online and a lot of times, as you said, it doesn't make logical sense because I am feeling in different groups that I'm leading in. At the moment, I'm feeling for people that new gifts and new codes are coming online for them and it's just this reminder that sometimes the gifts and codes are actually a frequency shift, so you don't actually, if you were to try and go make sense of it, you couldn't.
Speaker 2:And why try and make sense of it? Like, why try and actually control the thing? We're trying to like micromanage our life, when we actually want miracles? We're saying we want miracles to occur, we're saying we want life to surprise us and gift us with these amazing things, but yet we go into micromanaging mode the whole time because we think we have to control it, we think it has to be a certain way, but it's like the more and more you release your grips on that, you allow yourself and your intuition to flow through, because the only thing that's blocking us from our intuition flowing through is the ego when we were kids, like we had so much access to our intuition and then we were told, no, no, you'll never do that, that's for rich people, or we don't do this, or you don't do that, or all of these stories, and then they become encoded within us and then life for me is really about encoding those stories and calling bullshit on them all and coming back to our center.
Speaker 1:I have a bit of a I don't know if it's a funny story, but sort of tied into you know, our, our gifts and what we I guess, what the ego wants or what we think that we want, I and this something that you said triggered it where it's like we like if I'm wanting a gift that you have like, maybe that's not something like I don't know if handle is the right term that I'm looking for, but it's just I wouldn't be in a place to like receive it maybe. But when I was younger, I was this this happened to my 25th, my 25th birthday. In the morning I woke up but I remember, like I had a friend that like saw ghosts, that like would speak to ghosts and spirits and stuff like that. And I was always like, oh man, like I don't, I don't, I don't experience that that would be like. What would that be like?
Speaker 1:And I moved into a house and and it was clearly haunted, like cupboards would be open, noises would go off, and the morning of my 25th birthday I actually saw a ghost. And I remember sitting on my bed that night and I was like I don't, this is no, I'd like, I can't handle that, would not be able to walk around and see these, like this is not a part. So I like sat there and I was like I know you don't want to hurt me, but like I can't help you, like this is not a place I'm willing to go and I've never seen one, ever again. But it's like that ability, like we want something, and it's almost like the universe with its sense of humor is like oh, that's what you want, let's see how you'll be able to deal with that. Like I couldn't, day in and day out, see that my daughter sees things all the time. She sees shadows, she talks to things like she's 14. And I'm like, does it scare you? She's like no, I would literally not sleep.
Speaker 1:I think, I'd be up all day.
Speaker 2:I love that story, though, because it's such a reminder of our free will as well. It's like I believe that we all have the potentiality to see, to feel, to hear, whatever, but it's like we shut it off. So it's like like we can shut it off if we want to shut it off, but we can open it up if we want to open it yeah, yeah well, I called my friend that saw the ghost.
Speaker 1:After I saw that and I was like hysterical. She's like Rochelle, just go in your room and talk to it. She's like, just tell it you don't see it anymore like sage the house.
Speaker 1:She's like, if it gets really bad, call a priest, but like no, and so that's all I had to do was talk to it. But I was like okay, it's just like um, but yeah, it's funny. But um, going back to like so when you're, when you're working with people in these sessions, you're like you're seeing their gifts or like how does that work? Like with the client you're active, like not that you're activating it for them, but like you're experiencing it as well. Does that make sense? The question? So I will get.
Speaker 2:I think I think I know what you mean. I will see like a potential timeline for them, but ultimately it's about free will. If I say to somebody that, because I've had people before, I remember doing a past life journey with a client and she was active, her hands were really activated, she was feeling things. She wasn't seeing things and I knew straight away. When we came out of the session I was like you're thinking you have to do a Reiki course? And she was like yes, and I was like do you want to do a Reiki course? And she was like no and I was like well then, don't do a Reiki course.
Speaker 2:Just because you have that gift in another life doesn't mean you need to do it. You can if you want, but if it doesn't light you up, don't do it. So a lot of times I will see people leading in certain ways or I will get a hit of like this is what you're here to do. But a lot of times it's about them, me guiding them on a journey so that they can see it for themselves what they'd actually like to be doing.
Speaker 2:I help them because a lot of times, if the ego comes in for them, I'll be able to say, but do you actually see this, this and this? It's like kind of, if I bring somebody to a room and they see the nice things in the room but they don't see the husband or they don't see the children behind them, I'm like, but do you feel a presence of anybody else here? That that potential is here for you too. So people are always surprised with what they actually see themselves or feel themselves. It doesn't matter which way it is and but my guidance is really around broadening them up to that infinite potentiality that they are, connecting them to the heart space and actually leading them in the direction that they're here to go in. But ultimately, we free will, you can choose whatever path to take that you want to take yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we all have gifts.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So going back to that example of, like the person who's feels their palms tingling right and then they choose not to go into Reiki, does that gift manifest in another way? Or it's just kind of sitting there waiting for them to like activate it one day, if they choose to or not?
Speaker 2:If they choose to, but what this person was already doing. This person was already an amazing coach. So it was like for me, it was very much this sense of are you okay and are you complete with what you're doing now? Are you happy with what you're doing now? And she was, but it was like what we were actually unlocking, I think, in that particular session was something got to do with. It was something blocking her in relation to her believing that she could be successful. So it was kind of like, okay, well, then we got to tap into okay, where are you feeling the need to like, get another skill? You can get another skill, like I have upskilled so often. I've brought so many other modalities into into my business, like I'm sure you have too. But it's like where you are right now is perfect. The gifts and the wisdom you have right now is perfect. There is already somebody one step, 10 steps, 100 steps behind you.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I believe that, yes, there may be something we wish to do, where we do wish to get a certification and something, but it's like do you actually need that or is it because you think you need it? And where are you thinking that you need to unlock all of these crazy gifts before you show up and you serve. Because what I find is that more and more gifts come online and it's all through trial and error, like I will download like an amazing course and there will be something in there that like I have never done before. But for me it's like, well, if I channel the course and I channel the sales page because sometimes I don't even know what I'm offering and I'm channeling the sales page and it's all coming through and it's like, well, I guess we're doing that, I guess that's exactly. And time and time again I've been proven that that's exactly what we do in that experience. I've been proven that that's exactly what we do in that experience.
Speaker 2:But I myself have to lean into my trust and I myself have to lean into my gifts and trusting my abilities, because I believe when we go into any launch or when we show something new to the world, we're up leveled. I will always teach something that I'm embodied in. But when I go into a launch, I'll be initiated into it again and it's like more codes come online for me. So it's like as much as I'm expanding and I'm holding people, I'm getting expanded through that process as well. So sometimes the work that we're here to do it can feel quite selfish because we're like expanding ourself in it.
Speaker 2:But I'm always very clear that, like my part in this journey is you meeting yourself at the depths that your soul is wanting to bring you to, because there and we can go back to the pain piece. The pain is the portal to the divine. A lot of times we're skirting around the pain. It's when you actually go into the pain and you face it head on, it's like you obliterate it and you come into like this, such a like amazing state of being that you're just at one with consciousness itself. From that place you feel that unconditional love. I mean, what better gift is there to feel unconditional love? So it's like we don't need to start unlocking all of these, um, intuitive, crazy gifts to serve your one purpose on this earth is to know thyself as a creator, and how do you get to do that? You get to do that through meeting yourself with where you are right now that's beautiful.
Speaker 1:What did that process look like for you, as you were sort of turning all these gifts on and coming into yourself and moving through that pain and exploring and deeply getting to know yourself? Like was there, I know it's, you know multiple, but was there probably like one or like maybe two tools specifically that you like leaned into or that really supported you to come to this place of like there, to then like writing a whole, like sales page, just like channeling it all and, like you know, not having to second guess or question your gifts?
Speaker 2:For me, the number one tool and what a lot of people hate is meditation. It really is meditation, breath work, like that connection to self. It cannot like there is no other way. I mean, you can do all the courses and I've been like I and this is probably a second thing Like I have been that person that has signed up, can do all the courses. And I've been like I and this is probably a second thing Like I have been that person that has signed up to do all the courses. That's literally like I'll do this course and I'll do this course and I'll do this course.
Speaker 2:Almost like looking for somebody else's way, looking for the right way in which something is to be done. There's never really a right way. There's a your way and there's other people's way, and what your soul is here for and I believe a lot of us, particularly feminine essence beings, are here to do it the feminine way, not through pushing, not through forcing. So it's a complete paradigm shift. So for me it has been balancing that, knowing when to meditate, knowing when to take that leap, knowing when to seek out support, because we can become so much, so like okay, I say one thing, and it's kind of contradictory, because it's kind of like meditation and connecting with myself, but plus also getting the support when I feel I need the support. We're not meant to do this journey alone. So I think there's such an important piece for me in connecting with myself but then also putting me in places and spaces that are going to expand me, expand my consciousness. So it's balancing the two, because we don't want to go so internally focused where we're not showing up to life itself, because then we're just, we become so insular and we become ungrounded and we want to just live up in the higher chakras. I freaking love hanging out up there, you know, hanging out with like other souls from other dimensions and all the things, like it feels freaking amazing. It does. But what are we here for? Yes, we're spiritual beings having a human experience, but sometimes I myself need to be included that we're here in the spiritual realm for a reason and we're here for evolution and growth. But that means that we have to show up to life itself and life can be enjoyable and you can savor the delicious moments of just having a smoothie or being outside in nature.
Speaker 2:It's not always about getting the big external manifestations, but in order for me to get to that place, I had to be willing to put myself in spaces and work with mentors. Who was going to push me outside of my comfort zone so that I could meet myself and be held? A lot of the things that I bring to my business are from the courses and mentors and healers that I've worked with, because I've taken them on as my own, embodied them and they became such core tools to my very existence that it's like I come to this place where I can't help but want to overflow and share those things with the world. And that's my vision and my hope for my clients as well is that they get to go and they get to make my tools their own as well, because not everything's going to resonate with with them. It's like taking it, it's all. We're not reinventing the wheel here.
Speaker 2:If you go back and you look at the Bible or you look at the Koran or any of those things not that I've read those, but they're all saying the same thing. They're all saying we're all at one with each other, we're all connected to source. All you need is the faith of a mustard seed to create your reality. You're getting to know yourself as the creator. You're born worthy and whatever desire you have in your heart, that is there for a reason. It's never about the external manifestation, but it doesn't mean your soul doesn't want you to have the external manifestation. The thing is the journey you become, because I think of my journey, that I wanted the partner, the husband, and what that led me to is actually finding this deep sense of purpose. So it might not be about the external manifestation, but the external manifestation does lead us to finding these deeper gifts, finding fulfillment within us. Does that answer your question? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So when you're, let's say, you're working with someone and they've found their purpose now, or, like you said, I think that we all know it intuitively, like we know what that like burning desire is, or you know whatever you want to call it inside.
Speaker 1:But sometimes when we discover that then we're like, wow, first of all, imposter syndrome. I know I've experienced that so hard in my life where I'm like who am I to talk about these things? I've only been doing it for so long, but showing up in the world where maybe those things aren't valued, and how do you have that balance and how do you let go of that ego, which I know, as we're doing the work in meditation and things like that, the point is to be able to witness that and sort of separate it from you and your decisions. But I mean, it does take effort to and again I just continuing to practice come into your body, but like it does take effort to come in there and be so, like radically, just like this is it. You know, like what's the term I'm looking for? Not delusional, but kind of right to be like. This is the way and this is how I'm showing up and this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was working with a client on this yesterday as well, because she was like, oh, I'm getting more into like not been as risk adverse and going like. You know, she's transitioning from like in the nine to five and now is like business ideas. So she knows she's doing it but she's like OK, now I'm actually it's weird because now I know that it's happening, but it's kind of weird and it's kind of like she was asking me like, how do you navigate that faith and that faith piece? And I was saying like, for a long time it's the delusion and then at some point in time it clicks into place your mission, the fact that you're here on this earth with a bigger sense of purpose. That clicks into place. But there was many times within my business where I was feeling like, oh, my God, I never want to do this.
Speaker 2:Another failed launch. Nobody has showed up, Blah, blah, blah, blah. Does nobody like me? Like all of these stories, stories, stories, and that's why these like our purpose. It grows you, it expands you, because you have to look at freaking everything.
Speaker 2:Another area that I work with people in is visibility. Like them showing up online or creating the podcast, whatever it is, it's's like being visible. Putting your offers out there is scary, but what does it all come back to? Because it typically comes back to the rejection a rejection wound or fears of abandonment. So it's kind of like, yes, we can see these dynamics playing out in love or we can see it playing out in purpose. To me, I'm like I don't care which. Where a client comes to me, because when we're clearing it in one area, we're clearing it in all areas. But getting to look at it in business is really really beautiful because I know, for me, when I first put a post out there like it was, like I want to throw up, when I first put talked on my stories wanted to vomit. Now it's like at the point that I love going live. I love going live on Instagram. Sometimes there's nobody there with me, sometimes there's, you know, five, six, 10 people there with me. It doesn't matter. I have developed a love for it and you like people are like say to me like, but you love doing this and I'm like no, I had to navigate myself through it and that navigating myself through it was navigating my inner child through it.
Speaker 2:Navigating was navigating my inner child through it, navigating my inner child thinking people were going to laugh at me, navigating my inner child, thinking all of these stories, navigating that visceral body response of wanting to close off and I seen this for myself as well. I put a reel out there and once it started gaining traction, I'd shut off. I'd close off energetically. I'd feel that within my body, my heart space, shutting off. And when I started to play around with these energetics in opening up and allowing my body to know that it's safe, it's safe to be seen. In fact, one of the very desires of the divine feminine is she wants to be seen for all of her gifts. So it's like when I made that claim to myself, I started then activating people to come into my field to see me and it was like, then my certain reels started going off. I started getting, like you know, reels that were going to like 20,000 people, 30,000 people, and it was like my traction isn't up there at the moment, but definitely when I claimed that desire, those things started happening and I was like, wow, like this not that it's about the external, but the expansiveness that I could feel within my field, within my heart space felt amazing.
Speaker 2:And back to what you were saying there about, like when people show up and there's the imposter syndrome coming in and they're like who am I to do this? It is a co-creation process. If you have a desire to show up and serve, if you have a desire to have five people in your program, 10 people in your program, if it is a pure desire, a soul desire, not from ego-based, not thinking that the 10 people are gonna give you the validation to do the next, to show up for the next, or the five people are gonna give you the validation for you to be seen or for you to own your work and your worth. But if it's pure, I desire to show up and I desire to call 10 people into my space and it's pure. Those people are in your field because it's a co-creation process. So that desire has to be reciprocated, it has to be met. There is the other side of the coin is there? So it's all about connecting back to your truth to see what's your sole desire. Because once you claim that desire, you activate it within your field and your higher self can start activating things, like bringing things into field, your field, like not just the clients but the actual ideas.
Speaker 2:So back to what you were asking me earlier how did I get to that point of actually channeling my sales pages? It's because when I have a desire, oh, I want to create an offer, sometimes it's not an offer. Sometimes I'll get a name and it'll come through, and then sometimes I'll be like, oh, I wonder what that is, and then someday it'll just start all landing. I might write notes on my phone and then when I sit down but it's like I believe it's because I've claimed that desire that, like I'm here to serve people, it activates something within the field and then the ideas start coming through and then it can be met and the other people can feel my energy. I've had people come to work with me because they're like I've been waiting to work with you but the offer wasn't right, but that one, that one that I saw. So this is the thing as well. Sometimes people think nobody's watching, nobody's listening. The amount of people that people have been like I wanted to work with you didn't feel right. Today it feels right.
Speaker 1:I think that's the power of that, like ManiGen energy too, because I think that we think that we have to have like, the one offer and the one thing.
Speaker 1:And you know and I, that's such a struggle like in my business as well where it's like but I want to do this and that.
Speaker 1:And sometimes I think that you know, like you said to in the beginning of that, that I think what we don't talk about a lot, too, is having the launches that fail, you know, the launches that nobody signs up for, and you're like, oh my gosh, do I just throw it all away, do I just get rid of it now?
Speaker 1:But also, like you said, you know like sometimes there'll be something that it's yeah, it's just not worded correctly or it's just not the right offer for the people, cause whoever you have in your space maybe not all of them are seeing every day, but they're watching right and they're there for a reason, and so it's like having that right opportunity or even just the exposure long enough, because I think sometimes we think like, oh, I'm going to do this for a week or two weeks and then nobody buys it and I'm just going to scratch it all and do something else. Sometimes it takes like that third or fourth launch for something to click or for those people that have been waiting or kind of watching and maybe it's not the right time to then like step into it For me it's never really about the wording.
Speaker 2:For me it's my energetic state of being. How am I being? How am I being in launches? Because in my failed launches it's been like I've gone to the places of well, nobody showed up on day one, therefore nobody's ever going to. It's like those possibilities, I cut off those possibilities. Oh, there's nobody there, nobody's going to buy, nobody likes me, nobody. Blah, blah, blah and all these stories. And it's about opening through those stories and allowing yourself to know what's possible. Those people can land in at any moment and I've also had people that just land in from like, just come across me and buy with me that day.
Speaker 2:But yes, you're right to a degree that some people or I don't mean you're right, but I mean I agree with you too Some people will. It will take time for them to come in, but I don't necessarily think that everybody has to take time. There can be people in your field that are ready to jump in when you're open, but for me, and what I see with my clients, is people close off and we don't hold our energy open in that gap in between, because it's so uncomfortable to hold ourselves open, like we're saying in the relationship conversation earlier, to be able to have a man witness you, but also to be able to have the world witness you. And what stories come up for you when you're like nobody's bought, nobody's bought. Does people think that I'm a fraud? Does nobody like my work? What are people thinking? Are people thinking, oh, she's still going and nobody's buying her work? And in reality, a lot of times people don't even know they've gone on. That offer mightn't have been right for them there and then so they're not thinking, oh, she's not talking about it, it's a failed launch. This is something I talked about on my social media two days ago. I'm like those. I like I can't wait until, like, the idea comes through to do a program around launches, because those failed launches have taught me so much. Taught me so much about myself.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I've had launches that didn't work and then I've had an idea come straight through for something else and it worked straight away.
Speaker 2:But a lot of time it was because I used to do things like I used to put out an offer and then I'd be like, ok, I did it in this exact way, so I'm going to do it this way, but the ManiGen energy, like I, wasn't activated by it. I was thinking this is what worked for me, so I'm going to take this exact thing and I'm going to replicate it and do it again, but my energy wasn't behind it, so then it didn't work. So if my energy is not behind something, if I'm not backing something, with that activation, that co-creation process that's met in the field both sides of the coin it can't be activated. The people can't come into you. They're already circulating around you but I don't believe that they can come in because we're not fully activated in the field. So it can't activate them, can't send that ping out for them, for them to be like oh yes, that's the person I want to work with.
Speaker 1:How do we get in that state while we're like launching or just to be able to open up energetically and really like hold that space?
Speaker 2:Alignment. It's alignment first. It's like where am I showing up from? How am I showing up? Am I showing up because I think I should show up? Am I showing up because I genuinely want to show up? Am I showing up from this place of like I mentioned? This is how it worked for me the last time. Therefore, that's how I have to do it. It's putting ourselves into all these boxes and for me, one of the launches that I did back a couple of months ago, where I got like 10 people inside in like 24 or 48 hours, was literally from this place of activation. I was sitting on this course and like that it was baking. It was literally like baking place of activation. I was sitting on this course and like that it was baking. It was literally like baking in the oven. I was like, okay, it's culminating, it's not go time.
Speaker 2:And then one day it was freaking go time and that sales page came out and there was no stopping me and I wanted to talk about that offer. And I didn't want to talk about that offer because I just was like I have to talk about this offer. I have to talk about this offer. I wanted to talk about this offer because it was about activating the goddess within. It was about activating that feminine frequency within, because I had all these new codes come online from goddess activations and it was literally like it is go time. I want to get this into the people's hands because I want to get this into more women's hands, because more women need to bring forward their gifts. Power is ready to be unlocked within them. When you have that goddess energy within you, it's this fiery energy. It's literally like I want to bring my gifts to the world because the world needs them, because there's magic in these gifts, and it's like I was talking about it from that place of I'm speaking about this because this is of service to you. I feel this so deeply for you. I feel that if you feel in alignment and in resonance for this offer, that's because it's for you, and trust that for you.
Speaker 2:It wasn't coming from a place of I need to show up or this is how I'm going to do it, or trying to be strategic. In my logical mind, it was literally this passion within me, that fire that you talk about, that burning sensation of purpose. It was like boom, it's go time, come on, I'm ready to do this work. And it's about holding the spaciousness open and the thing about the quantum field. When we get into that energy it can be overwhelming on the nervous system because when we're in, when we activate the field, everything that can exist does exist there. So there's what if it doesn't work out, what if it does work out and everything in between. So you're holding a lot, you have to hold a lot, you have to be able to hold all it feels so full. But it's like can I hold the fact that maybe this launch isn't going to work for me? Maybe it is going to work for me Like I was holding, like 100 people can come in, 10 people can come in.
Speaker 2:Nobody might want this offer. But what my side of the street was is am I aligned? Does this offer feel in alignment for me? Can I be open for infinite possibilities? Can I be open for the universe surprising me and from that, me just looking after my alignment? Because when we open up our alignment, like I said earlier, when we activate the field, the content flows through. From then we get the ideas to show up, we get the ideas to want to do alive. We get the ideas from that place and from there we're going to activate the response of those soul aligned people that are meant to come in and work with us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're okay, regardless of what the outcome is. This is it. We can't be basing our alignment.
Speaker 2:It's our personal power. We can't base our alignment on if things are working out. I mean, it'd be so easy if things were always working out for us. But it's like, who do you be in the moment where nobody is showing up on your Instagram? Who do you be in the moment where nobody is showing up on your Instagram? Who do you be in those failed launches? I mean, I'm sure we all know people. I've done courses with people that, like I'm like see them amazingly gifted, and then they filter off the internet and I'm like, where are they? They were so talented.
Speaker 2:It's this piece of personal power and this like um purpose-led work. It expands our soul. So we are going soul. So we are going to be pushed. We are going to be, and particularly for those of us who are here to teach that you know we get to stand in our power regardless of if the person comes in, regardless if the clients come in, regardless of what's happening on any given day.
Speaker 2:But it's like you and your power and your truth, knowing that you are worthy and deserving, no matter what the external looks like, and that you can find that peace and solitude within you, regardless of what's showing up in your external reality doesn't mean that you don't have desires, but it's like can you see every failed launch, every time that you put an offer out there, that that is there for a reason and that life is showing you something and you may not be able to know in that moment what it's figuring out for you. Because I had something occur for me and before I got on my mastermind call this morning, my masterminds that like 4am, the amazing time, and literally I was like I wonder why that didn't go in the way. And literally I woke up this morning and it was. I heard it clear as day. So if you're just open to like wondering why something is showing up for you, why something isn't working out for you, it will present it.
Speaker 2:But if it hasn't presented itself to you right now, maybe you're not meant to know, maybe you're meant to be in the messy middle, in the discomfort of it not working out and trusting that there's still potential for it to work out. There's still people in your field. You've already activated that in your field and just because that particular thing didn't work out doesn't mean it's not going to work out again when you open yourself back up. Maybe you've had people. I've had people say to me before in failed launches I'm so close to buying and it was like, oh my goodness, they were so close and it's like if I held my energy open for a little bit longer, maybe they would have come in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's, I mean, it's so powerful to like be connected with that purpose and that why? Because in times like that, right, when you're not connected to it, then it's so easy to just be like that the coach or the teacher who just disappeared, you know, for whatever reason. It's like you, just it wasn't. I guess. Maybe the purpose was found elsewhere, right.
Speaker 1:But like continuing to move through that and, like we were kind of talking about earlier, seeing people who are like hugely for me when I see someone who's successful and they'll talk about the beginning of their career, you know, and it's like, oh, I had like failed launch after failed launch after failed launch, and you're like oh, wow, like, and you kept going and you just pivoted and shifted and had ideas that came out. And I love that saying where it's like if you have an idea, if you don't bring it to life, someone else is going to because it wants to come through by the universe. Right, and the universe gave it to you. And it's like lot of that trust and openness and, like you said, that alignment to just, yeah, I guess like putting your trust in the universe and being there and, regardless of what happens, you know, being able to like, hold like in your energy throughout throughout that.
Speaker 2:Completely and I think it's so relevant what you said there and what we were saying about people like the imposter syndrome. I remember people signing up to work with me for mentorship when I was in my nine to five, because they were particularly there and I remember sending them on other mentors. I'm like I'm doing it, I'm working with this one. They were like I can't resonate with that person, like she's just too far, she doesn't get it, she doesn't, she's not in the nine to five. And they were like I was there thinking people won't want to work with me because I haven't hit this income goal or I haven't whatever. I'm still in my nine to five. And it was like they could relate to me because I was in that same with the love and dating. People can relate to me because I haven't met my person yet. Like it's like if somebody and I remember my um, my teacher at the time I was like she did a lot on love and dating and I was like she's married with kids and I was was like why would they come to me? And she's like she's like Cheryl.
Speaker 2:There's people coming to me now saying they don't relate to me and I'm like, oh, that's so true. We can look at things and think that some people want to go to the bigger vision, the person at the top of the game, and a lot of times people want the more relatable person where they can actually be and show up in a mess, because if we can't show up to our coaching or mentorship spaces in a mess, like where else can we show up? In that way? It's like, you know, I'd be real with all my clients and a lot of my teachings are from personal lived experiences and that's what people come back to me over and over again is like. I love how you shared your story because it makes it freaking relatable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And I think we're so often just comparing ourselves to other people and, like you know, with the um, the TikTok ban that happened this weekend you know well, in the at least, when everybody was like sharing all their secrets before it got shut down. I remember like watching one and she was just like the secret. She's like I've had a corporate job this whole time. It's like why don't you just tell people that there's like nothing wrong with it, you know, and.
Speaker 1:But it's just interesting what. What comes out when you know they think that they're like everything's shutting down, but it's like but wouldn't you be more like you said? Wouldn't you be more relatable if, if you were just admitting to that in the beginning, know, but a billion percent.
Speaker 2:I think it's really hard and I know from my own journey because I like I meant we were talking before I hit record and I was in Bali. I'm in Malaysia right now and last year I went to Australia first and you know a lot of people were messaging me, being like you're living your dream, like that's so amazing and really my journey to there was like I had hit burnout. I was so worn out, I was so my business had taken off and then it took a nosedive because my energy had. I started closing off to possibilities. I started feeling tired, I started judging myself why is my person not here yet? Why is my business going downhill? And I had become so attached to the external, judging myself based on external, judging my worthiness based on the external.
Speaker 2:And it was a really, really difficult time for me. I didn't want to get on that flight to Australia and people are messaging, been like oh, you're living your dream, you're following your heart, and I'm like crying in a corner, doing like so many somatics on myself, trying to cultivate that safety within my body and it, you know, for months I didn't want to speak to that because I was just kind of like I can't speak to it and I had to wait until I had come through it. But then when I spoke out about it, like people were so oh my God, there was people, clients, reaching out to me, being like I had no idea you were going through that and you still held me so beautifully and I felt like it was so important that I spoke out about it because it was like such a huge part of my journey in actually finding peace without the external, like personal power that we were speaking to there, me finding after going through like many seasons, like I said, of depression, suicidal ideation, and for me actually to find that happiness within myself. Because I thought that it wasn't possible. I had a reading with somebody back when I was training and it was about my starseed origins and hearing. You know, you just find it difficult on this earth and you're going to find it difficult on this earth and for me, that piece of wisdom, the information, was so powerful for me to have in the moment because it released pressure.
Speaker 2:I was in a shame cycle. I was feeling guilty If anybody else died or was killed and people were saying it's so sad pressure. I was in a shame cycle. I was feeling guilty If anybody else died or was killed and people were saying it's so sad, and I was like I don't even want to be here. And then I was feeling so like a piece of shit, basically for not wanting to be here.
Speaker 2:And then, throughout, like last year, I started having this thing of like huh, how about if I don't have to believe that story anymore? How about if I start actually believing that I'm meant to be here? My body started pinging, my body started being like ooh, because I was like I feel like I'm meant to do big things here. I feel like I'm meant to be on stages, I feel like I'm meant to write books, and I always had those feelings. But I was like, yeah, but what if your soul isn't actually going to check out until you do those things? So are you really going to be miserable? And I want to use those words kindly because I wasn't really beating up on myself here but I was kind of like, ooh, what if you actually got to enjoy this life? And it was like holy shit. I never thought like I can't believe.
Speaker 2:At this age I'm thinking like what if it's actually possible that you enjoy this life? And from that, like from my journey of like going to Bali, like the freedom that came. But it was literally me cultivating safety within my body, because I didn't feel safe to be in my body because of these stories I was telling myself because of past heartache, because of past trauma. But it was like life led me there. But it was like on Instagram for a certain amount of time. People were thinking I was living my dream and I was not. I wasn't out there being like, woohoo, I'm living my dream. I wasn't. I was trying to be like own my truth, but I didn't want to speak to it until I had like come through on the other side. But I just, I just think it's really important for those of us who are in this space to speak to our clients and let them know that we can be a mess too, that it's not always perfect, it's not always messy.
Speaker 2:Chances are sometimes on Instagram, I might put a somatic practice on there, but for the most part, I'm not putting a somatic practice on there. I'm not putting me crying in breathwork this morning on there. I'm not putting a somatic practice on there. I'm not putting me crying in breath work this morning on there. I'm not putting those things on there, not because I have something to hide, but because I'm real and I'm messy and I don't necessarily think of, oh, I'm going to put the camera out here for me to do it. If I get the call, I will.
Speaker 2:But like it's like. Life is beautiful but it's raw and it's messy. And this is why my work is inner alchemy, turning pain into power, because we have to be willing to go into the depths of our shadows to break through on the other side. So it is messy and even if you're in the depths of messy things, I guarantee you when you come through it on the other side, somebody is going to show up in your world and you're going to be like I know how to navigate that situation. I was in that a week ago, I was in that a month ago, I was in that a year ago. There will be something somebody there or many people there, for you to serve with your story, with your wisdom, that you've come out on the other side.
Speaker 1:That's so good. Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your story and all of your wisdom. This has been such a good conversation. Is there anything else that you feel called to share or that you feel like we didn't touch on that you want to make sure you speak to? I?
Speaker 2:feel like we've had such an amazing conversation, but I just want to feel if there's anything coming through for the audience that are listening. I just feel like there's just this deep resonance. I place my hands on my heart and I just feel this fullness within your heart space and I feel like this sometimes I see it like a hidden gem that's there been dusted off, and it's like those gifts, the codes, the wisdom are already within you. Can you trust yourself to take the next step? Can you trust yourself that the next step is always there? Stop trying to get 10 steps ahead, two steps ahead. You can't see the next step and you're not meant to see the next step. And I just want to finish with this, and I'm not sure, actually, when has this episode been aired? Do you know? I think it's going to be the end of February or the end of February, so it'll probably.
Speaker 2:I feel like this message is kind of like timeless, but I feel like the energy for 25 is like. So January is the anchor point, february is the infinite possibilities opening up and March is like lots of miracles landing. So whenever you're listening to this, if you're feeling, because time, time is an illusion, so when you're listening to this. Maybe this is your reminder to anchor into your truth, anchor back into that, knowing that anything is possible.
Speaker 2:When you get to this place, opportunities will start opening up for you. They may not look like how you think they are going to look for you, because you know you're not going to know. It may feel like an opportunity opens up in a different area of your life, but trust that that seed is planted up in a different area of your life. But trust that that seed is planted and then, very soon afterwards, things are going to. But like if you're in the messy middle right now, trust it, it's there for you. Anchor into your truth, into your power, into the come into a place of personal power and it's all going to work out. It's already done beautiful.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. How can people find you and how can they work with you?
Speaker 2:I hang out mostly on Instagram and that's Sherylburn555 and my website is Sherylburn555.com. Thank you so much. This has been such a beautiful conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you so much. I've loved it you.