The Rochelle Christiane Podcast
Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane Podcast! This is the space where spirituality meets self-discovery and personal growth. I’m your host, Rochelle Christiane—your guide to holistic health, emotional regulation, embodiment and soulful alignment. This space is all about helping you reconnect with your body’s wisdom, master your emotions, and align with your unique energy using tools like astrology, Human Design, and holistic wellness practices. Each week, I’ll share transformative conversations and practical guidance to help you heal, embody your truth, and create deeper alignment in your life. This is your invitation to step into your power, trust yourself, and master your emotions. Let’s dive in!
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233. Unlocking the Transformative Power of Your Voice
This week I speak with Ms De Rogers, about the power of your voice, the energetics, frequency, and science behind this. This conversation is fascinating and I hope you love it as much as I do.
In this episode De and I talk about:
- The power of your voice & frequency
- Intention and your words
- Science of sound (it’s fascinating)
- The connection between the throat and sacral chakra
- Your unique frequency
- You have an archetypal frequency
- Frequency impact
- Understanding the diaphragm and your breathing
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Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast. I'm Rachelle, your host. I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms. This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive. We'll explore human design, astrology and other tools to help you understand your unique energy. I like to call myself the holistic explorer because I'm always exploring holistic remedies. More importantly, though, we're going to talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects, so each week, I'm going to share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic. So if you're ready to step up, take control and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to another episode of the Emotional Mastery Podcast. This week would usually be your monthly transit update, but I am posting a guest interview with Misty Rogers where we talk all about your voice and the power of your voice. The transit episode will be out next week, but this episode was so, so, so, so good, so fascinating. We talk a lot about that kind of space where the spiritual meets science. I love that area, I love that space and we really dive into how incredibly powerful our voices. I think we know that this is mostly the means that we communicate. There are other ways that we communicate and if you haven't listened to a podcast called Telepathy Tapes, I keep wanting to say Telepathy Files, the Telepathy Tapes. This literally dropped in this week. Someone mentioned it on a call and I am fascinated and the reason I bring this up is because it talks about, well, telepathy with nonverbal communication and it is just blowing my mind. It's fascinating and as a believer of all things woo and spiritual, it still blows my mind to hear stories and reports and research and evidence and proof that these forms of communicating really do exist. My son does it to me all the time. Literally I'll be sitting there sometimes and he'll say something. We'll be thinking the same thing and he'll say it out loud, or he'll bring me a water bottle when I think, wow, I'm thirsty or something. It's phenomenal, but that podcast is really, really, really good. This one is again on the voice and the power of our voice and the energetics behind our voice, and we talk about frequency, we talk about how we can project our voice, we talk about what it means when we are not stepping into that power and the power of manifestation held within our words and our voice, and how that changes the energetics. It really is a phenomenal episode and I'm really excited for you to listen to this one.
Speaker 1:I spent all of last week on so many podcast interviews I think I've got like 11 ready to go for you and I have a few more this week, and this is part of what I absolutely love about this podcast. But hosting the podcast is that, first of all, the amount of people that I get to connect with, the stories and energy that I get to share with you. It's such a beautiful process. And also I get to choose right. I get to fill up a month of interviews and then take a month off. And fill up a month and take a month off. It's just, it's the most fluid, beautiful thing that has, like, literally come into my life. I love it so much.
Speaker 1:And I do want to take a moment before the episode starts to talk about two current ways that you can work with me. So I am launching a program called Empower it will be starting February 14th where I'm taking five women through a three-month intensive to align with your body. So we're going to be talking about type strategy, authority and human design and we're really going to be digging into your body variables to really align you. And this isn't just a information-based program, this is an embodiment program. We're really going to be diving into it. We're going to be journaling, we're going to be holding each other accountable. I always love the community that's created within groups, like it's phenomenal, so that's a huge part of it. It's going to be amazing. We're going to talk about the Venus sequence, because it is all great to align with your body, but a lot of stuff comes up with that and most of our shadow, especially specifically around relationships. And even though we don't want to admit it, life is relationships. Right, our relationships mirror ourselves back to us. So doing that deep work rooted within our relationships alongside doing this work on our body, it's going to be so transformative. I'm so excited. So the link for that is down below. Again, I'm only taking five women through and you can also work with me one-on-one. So if you want accountability, if you want to dive into this, my holistic human design one-on-one container is just that. We look at holistic health, we talk about your human design, we talk about the variables. We're going to dive into all of it in a really intimate one-on-one container. You get Voxer support in a really intimate one-on-one container. You get Voxer support again, accountability, weekly sessions it's amazing that is also down below.
Speaker 1:There is so much going on this year, so many transits. It's so challenging, it's so heavy. It can feel really confusing and I believe right now more than ever, it is so important to be in your body, embodied. And if Aquarius is teaching us nothing, it is that we need to be so radically in tune with ourself and trust ourself that we are unshakable right. Things are always going to be happening, things are always going to be shifting, things are always going to be changing. But coming into ourselves and trusting ourselves, believing in ourselves and trusting in the process, in the universe, can be really hard to do when everything around us is shifting. So it's so powerful to be rooted in your system right now and taking care of yourself and nurturing yourself in the correct way. And it might not be the way that you think right. Human design holds a beautiful key to the way that you're designed to nourish yourself. So those two containers are available currently.
Speaker 1:Again, links are down below.
Speaker 1:You can also email me at rochelle, at rochelle christiancom, also down below, and I'm recording this on the new moon, and I recorded a new moon video on YouTube. I wrote a post on Substack. This new moon is really, really powerful and there is a stellium in Aquarius with this new moon. So the sun, the moon, mercury and Pluto this is really asking us to look at our mind. What are our thoughts? What are those looping narratives? What are the stories we're telling ourselves? How are we communicating? How can we better communicate? Pluto is death, transformation, rebirth. It's intensity, it's obsession. Right, this is Scorpio energy. This is Pluto, real Scorpio, the rulers of Aquarius, saturn and Uranus. Saturn is also in Pisces, which has a stellium. So we've got the North Node, neptune. So we've got the North Node, neptune, venus and Saturn in Pisces.
Speaker 1:So where are we escaping? Are we setting boundaries on ways that we escape reality? Uranus is in Taurus and will be going direct tomorrow as a Taurus sun. I am grateful for this because it is literally right on top of my sun. It's at 23 degrees. My sun is at 24 degrees, so it's going to be passing over it yet again and it has been shaking up everything, so it's bringing in this energy of instability, of shock, of the unknown, maybe a little bit of anxiety, right, freedom, innovation, expression, my Roomba and the moon is also speaking to jupiter in gemini, and so we have these two air signs social air signs, technology, social media, right, communication, curiosity, intellectual.
Speaker 1:So really, really focusing on where are we putting our energy right now? Where is it going to Calling that back in, calling ourselves back in? Do we need to sit in meditation, which can be hard sometimes, especially when we're very heady in our head. It can be hard to just sit and watch it. But what is it calling to you and really doing the work? So, without further ado, here's the episode with Miss D Rogers. All the ways that you can connect with her and what she does again is so incredible, so powerful. I was like hung on her every word in this episode because it's just so fast.
Speaker 1:I love energetics, I love learning about energetics and especially as a podcast host. Even in the beginning I wasn't as aware of the way that I was speaking, I wasn't as aware of my voice, and I guarantee if I go back and listen to the first episode, it is vastly different the way I spoke then than the way I speak now. Actually, I'm going to pause this. I'm going to go on my phone, I'm literally going to go get that first episode and I'm going to play a little clip so we can see the difference. And I'm going to play a little clip so we can see the difference. All right, so this episode was, I believe, in 2019. And, yeah, july 2019.
Speaker 1:And this podcast has gone through a couple different name changes MG Energy over here was kind of up and down for a while and I finally settled on Emotional Mastery Podcast, but so this one was 2019. And just to be able to hear the difference in the way that I spoke, even my voice, it's wild. I changed the screensaver on my computer to done is better than perfect. And so here it is. It is not perfect, but it is done, and it is me and it is true to who I am and how I'm feeling. So I hope you all enjoy. Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1:And it's so funny because when I look back at that time of my life, done is better than perfect, right For sure. And also I was just beginning to scratch the surface of who I was. So it's so fascinating to look back and this is also why I love to journal, because I have every journal from every month since I started my journey. Back in 2017 is when I started my journey and to be able to see the difference in the things that I was going through, the way I was writing, the things that were causing me pain, and now and some of them haven't completely changed right, they've shifted, they've become deeper, I've peeled back layers to understand the root of some of the things that I was struggling with back then. But it's just a beautiful, fascinating thing.
Speaker 1:So, again, kind of going back to the two ways that you can work with me, those both programs we're really gonna be journaling through this too, because I want you to have something that you can reference throughout this process, some marker to see. This is where I started and this is where I am, where you've come, what you still need to work on as we're exploring ourselves, getting deeper, in tune with yourself, creating more self-awareness, understanding yourself better really a beautiful process, so I'm not going to take up any more time here. Again, you can find the ways to connect with Dee down below and the ways that you can connect with me. If you don't follow me on Instagram, it's at Rochelle Christian R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E, dot, c-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-e. Share this episode with a friend. If it resonates, don't forget to like, subscribe, rate, review all of the things. Just a little five star or whatever you think it is worth is really, really helpful for the podcast and to let it be heard by more people. So I thank you so much and to let it be heard by more people. So I thank you so much. I hope that this new moon is revealing truths to you that you can lean into and move through, and I will speak to you next week.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast. Today I have Dee here, who is a professional opera singer turned transformational voice coach, and I think this is so fascinating and so beautiful because before I got into podcasting I would never have thought about my voice. Maybe if I heard a recording I'd be like ugh, cringe at it. And then through podcasting, it's something that I've really taken more of a notice on how I'm speaking, how I'm articulating, how I'm presenting. You know how I'm speaking, how I'm articulating, how I'm presenting, and so I was really drawn to what you do, just based on my own reflection of my voice over the past you know, four years or so, but I know there's so much to it that I haven't even, you know, thought of or scratched the surface. So I'm really excited to have this conversation and I'll, you know, hand it over to you and for you to share your story and pivotal that got along the way that happened, that sort of got you where you're at today and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 2:Fabulous, lovely to be here. Thanks for having me. Of course, it's a bit of a long journey. I have been an opera singer for over 20 years and working in Australia and New Zealand and on stages all over the world. I've been very, very fortunate and, as opera singers go, we are trained to be like the super athlete of the singing world, and it is an awareness of not just how the voice needs to project in spaces, but also the ability to really build up the strength, the resilience, the energetic. How do I put this? I try not to use too many keywords, because it is like you can go down the rabbit hole and there's a lot of terms that I'm noticing that obviously, I know really fluently that others just don't, and that is something that I'm very conscious of bringing you know to the conversation, because people go what the hell is that I don't understand, and that's okay, you don't have to understand. I need to translate it and my job really is, as an opera singer, to really take everything that we've done, everything that we know how to do, because we are 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.1% of the population who decided they're going to have to be opera singers, and so only a select few of those actually have careers. And then what do you do with it? Well, it is now very evident that what we do is needed now more than ever in this new era. And there are so many women particularly. My specialty is really working with women, because we are the voices that need elevation, we are the voices that need a platform, we are the voices that are ready to stand up and cut the shit, basically really bring down and restructure the systems and programming that has been going on for so long to now create some form of reconciliation and rebalance with everything, all the things that are happening in this world right now, and my job.
Speaker 2:I realised, probably about six or seven years ago, that I had all this knowledge. That would actually help a lot of people, because I didn't just see singing as just singing. We are trained to be these superhuman vocal producers in spaces of, you know, two, three thousand seater houses with no microphones, and that is phenomenal to think about. We're trained to be these superhuman megaphones, basically, and I was curious to know how that kind of frequency when I was geeking out in my uni years, how that kind of frequency impacts your spaces, impacts your audience, impacts you, and then I went down the rabbit hole, had my the beginning of my awakening, I guess in 2012. And it all started to unravel and I was like this I. There's more to this. There's really powerful concepts and ideas behind this.
Speaker 2:The science has now proven everything that I've known for the best part of the last 20 odd years, and we're now at a place where there is a very intricate play understanding of play between not just what we produce vocally as a biological function, but how frequency works to impact spaces and environments in a way that you can't fathom, and we still can't fathom the power of frequency in these states to elevate, to bring positive change, to speak up, speak out and to really unleash a voice, which I talk about the Holy Roar. The Holy Roar is really what women need to step up into, because that's the voice that's going to get heard, that's the voice that's going to have impact, that's the voice that is far bigger, far scarier, far more resonant, far greater in sound than we possibly realise. And that resonance, that state of frequency, is accessible to everyone, not just the small group of us who have been trained to do this. And the profundity, I guess, is that I see in people that I work with all the time, and it's not just singers. I work with speakers, I work with entrepreneurs. Now I work with a real vast selection of people who have realized, oh, this has been neglected. But it's also highly connected to everything else in our body, in our energy fields, in our environments. It's a frequency. It just happens to be like an amplifier of your state, and when you consider the voices as that powerful people talk about the fact that be careful what you say and be careful what you speak into the world, it's like, oh, that's a whole other power. You rein it back in before you say something that you don't actually mean. And so, yeah, the last, particularly since 2012, I've really gone down the rabbit hole of you know, I did Reiki. I loved that.
Speaker 2:I was able to sense and I have been able to my entire life that I was able to sense, and I have been able to my entire life, sense energies and hear misalignments, and my ears are stupid good at hearing when someone's bullshitting me, because that's what we're trained to do from an operatic point of view to hear the nuance and misalignments and glitches and things that aren't working, not just biologically but energetically, not just from a biological sense, but we're also inadvertently trained to pick these up with things like breath, with things like how would you call it? Intentional misalignments and their energy, their energy, their energy formations. They are emotionally driven. They are, um, uh, brain thoughts that you then connect to. Yes, I've got to say something that that's an intention that's often emotionally driven, particularly at the moment. Um, without much filter and and all of that combined, you know I trained to be an intuitive, a qualified intuitive coach.
Speaker 2:I did all of that knowing that there was something that I needed to do with this that wasn't singing on stages, and it was a much bigger idea and concept and purpose behind this that I am only just and I'm not even six months into business for this particular brand and this particular path. But I know I'm here for a reason and this is very much where I'm meant to be, knowing that most people are on socials, talking on podcasts, talking on podcasts, talking on YouTube, talking All of it is vocal content and the voices aren't there energetically to support the work that these people are wishing to do, that women are now being called to do. So it's a big, a very, very big sort of around the world kind of understanding and beginning, I guess, but it's profound and it scares the absolute bejeebus out of me. But you know, we're here, we're having these conversations and that, for me, is really, really important. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course. First of all, I had no idea that opera singers didn't have a mic or anything Like I guess I'm trying to think I've been in musicals and things like that, but I don't think I've necessarily gone to see opera. I've always been completely impressed by it, but that's absolutely incredible to be able to fill a theater like that with your voice. Um, and something else that you said too, I think that you know you can't fake energy, right, and to be able to notice the nuances, and even I think it was in one of your reels on Instagram. But even, yeah, like the way that you're speaking, people pick up on it, whether they consciously realize it or not, you know.
Speaker 1:And in human design which will kind of scatter throughout this, but you know, in human design, it's everything, every center, every chakra is moving towards the throat right To be expressed out. So it's such a hugely important center aspect energy, you know, of all of our lives and it's like everybody I mean not everybody, but most people speak right, most people have a voice and have a way to communicate, and it's I know. So I'm a Taurus sun in uh astrology, so Taurus rules the throat Right, and I've been in toxic relationships where I felt like I couldn't speak and it would literally hurt my throat, like I would get sore throats, or I would just feel like every time there's something I want to say and I hold myself back, it just like sits here and I'm like you know, you can feel it so strongly so it's like a plug that gets put in, energetic plug that gets put onto the energy center.
Speaker 2:It's, it's so powerful. So yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I guess then you know to start how, how do we work with that Right? How do you? I mean, I'm such a I love the place where like spirituality and science, like clash right.
Speaker 2:So even just like the science of energy, maybe we can start there. That, to me, is just so fascinating. I am a 3000% woo-woo. You'd never know it to look at me. I am that hippie that wears suits Like I am that person who adores everything woo-woo Like I. You know, I recently went to an all-women's festival here in Australia and it is amazing for starters, but I was just like, oh, this is amazing. And then I go back and I'm like you know that whole, you know this is who I am. But also now we've got the science to back it up, because my brain goes that's fine, I understand that, that woo-woo-ness, how do we validate it in this science-driven world? And it has been for hundreds of thousands of years. But we're only just airing a lot of this scientific research as being relevant and factual. A lot of it's been suppressed. A lot of it's been suppressed, a lot of it has been hidden and it's now so nice to be able to go oh, here's a whole heap of research, merry Christmas, that's the proof. Like do you need any more? And they're like yes, I don't believe it, I'm like our entire to give you the concept.
Speaker 2:So when we talk about frequency and from a woo-woo sense. You know, it is not just how we are being in this world as our energetic states in the world, how that interacts with the environment, how energy and frequency then moulds your environments and yourself, how it heals, how it what else? How it is metaphysically driven, how it impacts timelines, multi-dimensional connections and so on and so forth, our higher selves, our, you know. It is vast, the amount of information that we have on this. Now, from a boring science, classical musician standpoint, we're built on what is called acoustic resonance. So we as acoustic instrumentalists, without microphones and amplifiers and all that sort of stuff, if we take all of that away, the way that music was originally created, it was all built on acoustic resonance, and acoustic resonance in and of itself is working with frequencies of materials and environments to create a sound which happens to be, on a specific note, a certain Hertz level. For those who aren't familiar, frequency is basically isolated to a certain hertz number, depending on the vibrations per second. So for example we all talk about this the heart chakra, 432 hertz. It vibrates at 400 and now they believe the world vibrates at 432 hertz, that's 430 times per second. To create that vibration, for example, if we look at a guitar or a stringed instruments that the easiest to to look at because you can see the strings. Those strings are pulled to a certain level of tautness. You for example a guitar or a violin or a viola or cello, whatever it's a wooden casing that it sits on top of and the wooden casing then reacts to the vibration of that string to create the sound, to amplify that sound.
Speaker 2:Now, us, as human beings, we have all this within us. No one knows necessarily how to access it to its most efficient state. So when we speak, when we go to communicate, we are basically vibrating at the level of appropriate vibration that is unlimited or unstuck or unhindered within our casing. So our body is our casing, our head is bone. Underneath all this, it is built of these little resonating cavities all through us, our throat. Those two little muscles that sit literally in our throat to create the vibration are the strings. They don't create the volume of sound. The resonators do, and that is in our head, that is in our chest, that is in whichever bone cavities we can access as many of those that we can access at the one time to create the most efficient sound so that resonance can, at its full capacity can exist in order to then be affected or affecting the environment. So when we speak, we put that out into the environment and, depending on which room, type of room you are in whether it's outside, inside, the person in front of us they are a resonating cavity that will respond.
Speaker 2:Depending on where we are, we hear a type of resonance. So, for example, if you go into a cathedral, easiest way to describe it is go into a cathedral, clap your hands and it goes, and in most cathedrals there's about a seven second delay. So you'll clap it at one end seven seconds. You'll hear it at a different end of the cathedral and you're like, oh yeah, that kind of delay, that kind of impact for seven seconds means it's traveling. When we sing or speak, we're aiming to maximize that resonance. So if you're sending it for seven seconds, imagine speaking and then being the most horrible person you can possibly be and saying horrible words. Imagine that going for seven seconds. And then imagine you know, saying loving things and you know it's why churches this is my feeling on it why churches have, why cathedrals are of God and built in that particular way, because the resonance of love, love is being carried for over seven seconds for their congregations and the seats are everywhere. But that's in us that creates it.
Speaker 2:Now, if there are limitations and blockages to that resonating access resonator access which can be in the connections between your throat chakra and your sacral chakra because in women they're exactly, they're directly connected the cervix, which is where your sacral chakra lives, and your throat look and act in exactly the same way. So you speak and your cervix will respond. For example, if you were to orgasm, your throat acts in the same way. So if your cervix opens, this opens. If this closes and shuts down, so does your cervix. They respond in exactly the same way. That's science.
Speaker 1:That's fascinating.
Speaker 2:And then we go oh, that's an energy center too and we, it connects the two. So if you've got trauma and limitations in that center, energetically, this is going to be affected. But more to that, if you've got safety issues, that then affect the sacral chakra, that and's your ability to create, because we are creative beings, that creative resonance starts and exists in our life force, which lives within our sacral chakra. If we've got a solar plexus that doesn't trust, combine those three together and they're all below our heart. Combine those three together and they're not functioning. There's no way our throat's going to function because the energy is not travelling up and the throat's trying to send stuff down and it's like nope, we're out of here. So there's no reciprocal relationship, energetic relationship. That's a blockage and you can see it biologically, let alone hearing it or witnessing the energy response. Hearing it or witnessing the energy response If you aren't breathing, if your entire bottom half of you is cut off, your breath won't drop.
Speaker 2:So these are basic things that we go. I know where you're cut off purely by how you breathe. I know that your bottom three centers are blocked off because the resonance in your throat is stuck to here and it is. Most of us think it's just this little spot where it's not. If you're not feeling those like true resonations down in the chest, if you can't access a whole like octave lower because women have that access we have this access of these really low, deep states that are just like personal resonances that actually activate our vagus nerve, but they're far lower than people think. If you don't have that access, half of you is cut off. I know that you are. And then you've got to start digging it all out and start accessing it. It means releasing muscles and uplifting the energy that's in the bottom half of the body that's been cut off for so long. And once that starts to happen, the resonance increases. You have to do far less to get far more sound. You can just be in your space, talk for days. You've got far greater resilience.
Speaker 2:And again it comes back to that if you're speaking, just because you have a voice doesn't mean you know how to use it. I know certain Hindus are men, but just because they have one doesn't mean they know how to use it. It works the same way. Just because you have a voice doesn't mean you're using it to its greatest power. And this is the part where the entire female collective is being asked to stand up into and sit up into. Get rid of the junk, make it a channel that is unhindered, completely unhindered, and it means not just biological, it's energetic, it's sequential, it's mind, body, soul, spirit, because if they're not aligned, you've got a hose with a hell of a lot of kinks in it and everyone knows when, as soon as you kink the hose, the water doesn't flow. That is the energy flow, that is the column of energy that you have access to frequently to then share with the world. But if you've got those kinks in the hose, it's not going anywhere. Yeah, it's being limited.
Speaker 1:I love this. Do we each have like a set frequency, aside from the words that we're saying right Cause I think the words have power in their own but do we each have like a set frequency that we're just, that is like native to us and sort of like piling on that? Would you experience my frequency different than somebody else?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely so. The way that acoustic. Let's start with the way that you would respond to different frequencies. So, yes, firstly, everyone has their own innate frequency, built on your biology. No two people in this world will sound the same. Every single person has access to frequencies, to vibrational resonances, because of your biology and your innate vibration, your personal vibration, because everyone's vibrations are a little different. That's what makes us special.
Speaker 2:These, your inbuilt frequency and these inbuilt frequencies within you, are not designed to sound like anyone else, and yet we spend half our lives trying to sound like other people. No, you need to like, leave everyone else to do theirs and you do you and this, this idea of you do you, is more than just you. You do you boo like. It's so much more than that because you are not built physically. Let's start with physically, physical and biological uh concepts. You are not built like everyone else. Your head is built and shaped completely different to everyone else's. Your sinus cavities are built differently to everyone else's. How everything sits is built completely different to everyone else's and we, the human being race, the human being entity on this planet, is the only entity on this planet that will not sound like everyone else. It is why we have energetic signatures to identify people now, because you actually can't replicate someone else's vocal frequency.
Speaker 1:So, animals would sound the same. So if you got a group of them you wouldn't be able to necessarily.
Speaker 2:That's, that's fascinating yeah, it's the only. Because our, um, because there's so much differentiation between it would have to take a lot of significant difference for them to actually sound different. Ours is so subtle, so subtle. It's why you know, when you go travelling, you can hear people that you know really easily, like I know who that is. If you go travelling and like we're Australian, you can hear that a mile off because it has a signature. And then that person has a signature. You just have to yell at Aussie, aussie, aussie. And then, oh, I'm so shameful, uh, anyway. So yeah, there's that. And then, on top of that, your second question was I?
Speaker 1:forgot, sorry. The first one was do we each well well, I think you, I think you answered it Do we each have, like our own native, I guess, energetic, like frequency or printer? And then, yeah, would everyone experience us differently? So would you. Would someone else like, would absorb that differently, and then would it? I'm trying to figure out how to word this next question. So I know that there are different frequencies that have higher, lower vibrations. Would all of ours, just as being humans, be set at some sort of frequency of love, or does that change based on our intention, our genetics?
Speaker 2:or intentions. A big part of it, um, emotional, uh, our, because everyone's experiences growing up are completely different From what I understand and what I see and hear is that, yes, yeah, it will. Now it can resonate in alignment with, because I believe that we have access to all of these frequencies, but our innate frequency, I believe, is uniquely driven to create what we have here, so it will be slightly different. And the other thing, talking about sound and frequency and this is something that I've worked a lot with, particularly in the first probably 15 years of doing this was with singers, and now I work with entrepreneurs and women wanting to develop their voices that aren't singers, but there is a innate frequential link to certain archetypes, so certain archetypes have their own energy that are inbuilt into your vocal frequency and fighting that then adds another block. But what I tend to see is that once you align the frequency that is attached to that archetype, the archetypal frequency it tends to unravel a lot because it's almost like a permission slip. And then that freak and that archetype doesn't tend to change. In women it sometimes does, particularly through childbirth, because everything changes like it's like a recalibration. That can sometimes happen, but most of the time it'll be the same throughout life, and then it works with other archetypes to then carry your energy, you know, in whatever stage of life you're in. But this archetypal energy doesn't tend to change. And fighting that archetypal energy is what I see a lot of particularly like.
Speaker 2:I hear a lot of particularly women who have a naturally high resonance, sparkle, innate sparkle to their voice. So that would be linked to something like the enchantress, which is a mystical kind of sound. Now, every single archetype in the operatic world is attached to a certain voice type and that's how I go oh, okay, you're that voice type. Oh, yep, yep, you're that archetype, and that's a piece of all that together and you get. You know someone's. Oh, yep, yep, you're that architect, and that's piece all that together and you get you know someone's voice. But you hear it. It's a natural sparkle that happens in the voice and there's so many of those enchantress based beings who like oh my gosh, I used to connect with fairies and oh my gosh, I used to be like. I'm like yes, that's you, though. You're meant to be that, stop fighting it. And they're like but I've been told that I'm not serious. So they try and lower the voice down and grind it into something that a placement that they're not built to place the voice into because their biology, their energetic biology, it's not built for them. So they literally cut off. It's like cutting off a limb, like they literally cut themselves off in order to fit into this. I'm like dude, you're not meant to be that, go off with the fairies. Like that's your superpower. Like, off you go. I hear it a lot in the maiden as well. So the maiden archetype is very much full of play and like no, I'm not allowed to play. No, no, no I must be. Like no, go play.
Speaker 2:Because it adds, it gives the voice freedom to then extend so upper partials and lower partials to create what is called formant. Now, every frequency this is where it gets into more of the scientific stuff but every frequency like, you'll see a frequency line like this and on the old stereos you used to be able to see the green and the red it used to go like this. If on the old stereos you used to be able to see the green and the red, it needs to go like this. That's formant. So when a frequency is extended both upper and lower in its partial, it'll blow out the, the frequency, um little channel, you can say, and then that frequency is where you're maximizing the frequential potential of that frequency. When you access the potential of it, you then have access to what is called overtones and simultaneous frequency access. So overtones are literally other notes that you hear within that same note and that's the potential of the voice in its own inbuilt.
Speaker 2:You talk about when we talk about going, and I talk about this going quantum. When you want to access not just this plane but other planes, you're in overtone land. If your voice is not functioning to be able to peak, maximise the peaks and troughs of your frequent access, your inbuilt frequent access, if you can't do that, you have no access to the potential, the quantum potential, that the voice actually has. This is one of the reasons and one of the big reasons why, in my experience, when people go to operas, they are changed.
Speaker 2:I've never been to an opera before. I didn't think this was going to be this. It's because they're accessing not just the notes that are being sung but the frequential access of multiple notes simultaneously, even just from one voice. Multiply that by an entire chorus of singers who are all doing the same thing and imagine the impact. So you know, that kind of access is massive and we have access to that just by speaking yeah, on a much less scale. You know, we don't all need to be going out and singing opera, but we have that access and that's the superpower. That's. That's what everyone needs right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if I'm understanding correctly, so that superpower really comes from not resisting that archetype that's within you is when you're kind of leaning into that. Yep, so then when people are working with you, that's something you identify is their archetype and teach them how to, like, lean into that more. The?
Speaker 2:first thing. It is always the first thing because it often tends to be that, like I said before, the permission slip, for then everything else to unravel, like, oh okay, this is what your voice's superpowers are oh, I didn't think that was a thing. Or this is what your voice's superpowers are oh, I didn't think that was a thing. Or this is where your voice is trying to overcompensate, because you're not letting your voice just sit in its natural energy state. And you know, when you've got, for example, mother archetypes, who are on the lower end of the scale but who aren't designed to be loud, are designed to be just resonant, it's like this in and you hear them and they go. It's just this inner knowing that they speak and it's not overly loud, but it's just grounded, it doesn't go overly high, doesn't go overly low, it's just wide and it's just beautiful and it's not necessarily very cutting, it doesn't have a lot of upper partial. You can train the voice, you know, to access more of those upper partials if you wish.
Speaker 2:But the natural ability of the actual voice itself is to sit in this just really warm, resonant, free, loving space. Everyone, you meet them and you go. Oh my gosh, you're just like I just feel like it's a massive warm hug every time you talk. And that's the female version of the lover version, which is the male version, which is like you talk and your voice sounds like chocolate, like that's the female version. Yeah, ours is very nurturing. Theirs is a whole other thing. Yeah, so yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:That's the first thing I do, because it just, yeah, permission slip given, yeah, and this is even like, regardless of using the voice for singing. This is just basically like being authentic within, like the way that you're communicating. It's interesting. I, you know, I've been in the service industry and when a server or a bartender or anyone, you can tell when they're being fake, right it's. It's almost like there's one that, specifically, is coming to mind. But when she would speak to me normally, her voice was normal, and as soon as she like moved to a customer, she's like hi, how are you? And I'm like it would like go through me, cause I'm like that's not. It was just so inauthentic to who I knew her to be, you know, but so inauthentic to who I knew her to be, you know. But it's really interesting how and I do think that people pick up- on that, whether you're aware of it or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, more now more than ever. People don't do, and I hate the word authenticity. Can I just say, yeah, it is like oh, if I could just cut it out of the English language, it'd be really good right now, because it's been overused and no one knows what it means yeah and so I talk more about alignment.
Speaker 2:I talk about being transparent and aligned, and for me um, you know we're talking a little bit early about human design and my gene keys two of my gene keys that are interrelated are about my gene keys. Two of my gene keys that are interrelated are about intimacy and transparency, and I know that the more intimate that we become with ourselves, the more transparent that not just your communication becomes, but every part of you becomes. Your communication, however, is the summation of whatever your state of being is. You cannot disconnect it, but you can. Who would, I believe you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had to pull up your chart real quick because I'm always curious. One of them, I'm assuming, is gate 59, right, it's 59.6 is the channel you're speaking to, and that gate 59 is in your unconscious, mars, which is your biggest core wound, and it's also your vocation. So when you're leaning into that and you're healing that and you're using that, then it becomes a thing that you're here in the world to do. I think that's so beautiful and you have. You know, like you said, your throat is connected to your sacral, so it's like those are so interconnected for you, and having that completely clear and to be able to like project that is so beautiful to what you do. Right, and this is why I'm just such a nerd on like human design and astrology, because I, you know it's, it's in there.
Speaker 1:You know, when you, when I speak to people or I'll have sessions and there's just this like aha moment a lot of times, and you know you talk about, you know, like you said, alignment or authenticity or whatever terminology you want to use for it.
Speaker 1:I think that to me, it just means coming back to who we already know that we are, but we either resisted, we forgotten about, and I think this you know what you do, even with the voice, is so important to that because, like I said, we I think we don't realize how much energetically comes across, whether it's through our voice or some other means, like we're always communicating with each other just energetically, even, that's it, you know, and to be able to notice that and I can tell when I'm in an interview or when I'm, you know, doing a live or a reel or like whatever it is, when I start noticing, when I'm, I just can tell when I'm out of sync with myself or when I'm trying to push something that's not there and I just have to, like, take that pause, you know. But of course, the voice is the thing that we hear, our words are the thing that we hear and it's the way that that's coming across, right Is is so powerful.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's exactly it. You can't deny that that the voice, and this is the thing people have tried to disconnect the voice from the body for so long in that, oh, it just works. Oh, it's just a thing, it's just something I use. It's been, it's like the middle child. It's just kind of been like left to its devices.
Speaker 2:Well, the reality is that the middle child has a lot of power and once you start connecting it, once you start realising that this is your greatest power because it is able to verbalise your energetic states, which include your thoughts and your emotions and everything else that we try and shove down and pretend it doesn't exist. It is that it is a tool for that, but is also like it's our greatest gift in this world and you can't ignore it. You can't Not anymore when people talk and you hear it on socials all the time, like I can't do socials at the best of times because I I not like, and I hear it so much in our younger generations, particularly where I hear um, vocal grinding, I hear uh, in constant upward inflections. I'm hearing um, this, uh, what we call vocal fry, this kind of sounds that everyone's like that's a, that's a complete stop of airflow. If your air's not flowing, your life force isn't flowing. And so I'm scrolling past girly after girly after girly who is vocal, frying their way through their content. And I can't listen to podcasts like that. I can't. It is a complete misalignment. And yet they think they're being authentic. I'm like man, you've got layers to go, keep going. There's a whole other thing. And then, on the flip side, there's people who I've seen a lot of. Oh my gosh, I've healed my throat chakra. Oh my gosh, I can now speak my truth. Yeah, but that truth is attached to old muscle memory and energetic stuckness. That's attached not just here, because you're still speaking like you did before. You just happen to be able to speak up. They are not the same thing. They're two completely different things.
Speaker 2:You have to get rid of the residual energy and muscle memory in order to then for the voice to be cradled by the rest of the body, to then produce this bigger sound, this bigger energy state that you have stepped into and healed. You know it is, I hear it a lot, I hear it a lot. It is, I hear it a lot, I hear it a lot. And it's a far more complex system that is connected to every part of yourself, not just your throat and your sacral, and you know every single centre works as one, not just separated. And if you're not working with all of them to heal the throat, then you're not. And then also working the biology, because we are biology as well. You know you can't just go oh, it's just energy, it's just energy, yes, it is, and you are biology, you are all of these things combined. So if you're not working in all components, you're only doing half the job. And that's a big big thing.
Speaker 1:I'm hearing at the moment I had a sound bath once and and this is, you know, not voice but just the energy of sound and it, like, I swear it took me to another place. But it was amazing. All the bowls were put on different parts of my body and like moved and it was just incredible how you feel that like in every part of your system. You know that wasn't coming out of me, but it was coming in me, but it's like the power of that tool and the power of sound, and I think that's why music is so universal, because you, you know, there's been songs. I don't know what they're saying, don't know the language or anything, and it's just just you can feel it like classical music specifically. I mean, you can feel that music right as it's moving through you. It's like you don't have to know what they're saying to feel what they're saying.
Speaker 2:You know, I think it's so beautiful and any good singer would have had that intention. And when it's intention recorded and it's not unfortunately it's not's not a lot of the more recent recordings. Sadly it is the older recordings that you really hear that intention that comes through. You hear the cracks in the voice, you hear this imperfection, because emotion is not perfect. It's perfectly emotive but it's not perfect. It allows, and when a voice is connected to emotion, you will hear it crack, you will hear it be imperfect, you will hear the resonance the singer works with to convey that emotion.
Speaker 2:And there's a fine line between feeling that emotion fully and feeling the emotion through that character, and having that one step back, because you know either you take the step back or you're emoting and then you just lose yourself on stage and then that's selfish, that's not serving the art form. Then and the same thing goes for speaking. If you get on stage and you're speaking to your audience and you lose your shit on stage and everyone goes, oh my gosh, that's just amazing. No, you've been fucking selfish because you're bringing your trauma into a bigger space. You haven't dealt with it. If you can't remove yourself one back or go past the point and can now talk about it, then you're no better than the people in your audience who came here to get wisdom from you.
Speaker 2:Like you're, you are literally walking and sharing your trauma. That's not people connect, not through. We don't want a trauma bond. Trauma bonding is not what we're here for. We are here to share stories. We're here to people connect, here to connect people to story. We are not here to trauma bond. There's enough trauma in this damn world. We're here to heal it. Yeah, you can't do that from a traumatic state. You can't do that when you're losing your shit on stage. It means there are parts that you haven't dealt with yet, and then you're trauma bonding with your audience and there's yeah, it's a whole world of performance stuff.
Speaker 1:It's like so relevant now and there's yeah, it's a whole world of performance stuff. It's like so relevant now. So as an artist, for you, say, when you were an opera singer, and you would come on say if something in your life happened, you are doing the work to move through it enough that you can be emotional on stage, but not bring it to the stage yes, exactly right, exactly.
Speaker 2:You bring that to your rehearsal space. You lose your shit in the rehearsal space. You stop rehearsals. You're like I'm sorry, I just need 10 minutes. Obviously something's triggering me. You take it back to your practice room. You work through it. What is it that's triggering me? Any journal, any diary the amount of journals I went through through uni working through this character, hits a little bit home.
Speaker 2:Like you know, I explored my entire masculine character, whole masculine energy, through working through roles. Because that, like I was playing 14-year-old boys on stage, Like this is great. Like I get to be a 14-year-old boy, I also get to do. You know I get to beold boys on stage Like this is great. Like I get to be a 14-year-old boy, I also get to do. You know I get to be my rebel on stage, I get to be.
Speaker 2:But all the work that happened prior to it, you know, and there were roles where I would absolutely lose my shit, Like this, is clearly hitting home and those roles tend to be the hardest to let go at the end of a show because there's been such an emotional uh work through through that role but at the end of the day we are not serving the music or the character if we are bringing ourself onto stage because they are not us. There are a lot of similarities, probably, and a lot of differences in some cases, but they are not us. There are a lot of similarities, probably, and a lot of differences in some cases, but they are not us. They're archetypes that we're working through or there's energetic connections emotionally that you are designed to work through through this character, but you bring that on stage and you are trauma bonding, not just with your audience but with your cast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they've got their own issues. Yeah, so when you're working with clients, let's say who aren't artists or who aren't musicians, and yes, we're just working with their stage. Right, they're an entrepreneur or whatever the case is, are we embodying an archetype in that setting? Is that sort of um only here?
Speaker 2:so here, yes, and then any archetypes, because I'm a big believer that archetypes are part of who and what we work through energetically in multiple points in our life. So you could be working with an archetype at any point. For example, you know, if you are transitioning from you know late thirties and early forties we're going through, you know mother archetype into heading, into crone state. You know what I mean. It's that these transitional energies that that help you work through. If you're just work, if you're and I say just, it's not if you're working with um as a speaker, if you're working as an entrepreneur with your own clients, if you're doing masterclasses and workshops and all this sort of stuff, all this training stuff that we are now required to do, plus, you know, plus content creation, all the hats you will be working with.
Speaker 2:Archetypes guaranteed. How they show up in your life will vary. You are working with this archetype to get the best out of your client, though, and speak the truth, aligned truth, from the power that is here, in alignment with everything else. So it's from a character point of view. There's no, there is a layer.
Speaker 2:You still need to be offering that layer, but it's not detaching, it's going okay, this is what I can offer. This is where I'm at and there will always be shit you're working through always, yeah, but you don't bring them into sessions. You don't bring them into your masterclasses. You don't bring it into you, certainly don't bring it into your speaking gigs, yeah, yeah, Because you're not serving your client anymore. It's selfish. And we're not here to be selfish, we're here to serve.
Speaker 2:I say this a lot. I have a. I've been working with some senior kids because they've just been allocated their. I've been working with some senior kids because they've just been allocated their. You know, school captaincies and stuff like that. Right, and there's one particular gentleman who has been known for being the back end of, you know, organising events at school and being the sound guy and the lighting guy and organising everything in the background. And I came up to him this year and after he got announced, I'm like you do realize that that's not your role anymore. You have to let everyone else deal with that. You are now the leader, stepping into the spotlight, knowing that you can do all that to serve the people in front of you.
Speaker 2:And I said and if you're nervous doing that, you're not thinking about them, you're thinking about yourself. And when you are serving, if you're thinking about yourself, nothing lands to the audience. It doesn't travel. Yeah, so when they talk about, when we talk about, frequency impact this is how it impacts through intention. So, if your intention is to serve your audience but you feel nervous as hell inside, you're not serving them anymore. Your intention's on you. Oh my God, I feel nervous. Oh my God, I can't do this. Oh my God, self-talk, self-talk, self-talk, energetic blockages, energetic blockages. You've literally put the veil down in front of you when you jackpot. Because you've literally put the veil down in front of you when you are connected to your audience and you are serving them for their needs. Because, at the end of the day and most people don't realize this they don't give a rat's butt about you. They are there for them. Yeah, so if you are not doing your job, which is to to serve them, what's the point? Yeah, yeah, we're just back at square one.
Speaker 1:That's a reframe I've had to take on myself. I actually heard a couple of weeks ago or something, but somebody had said when you're feeling fear, it's actually selfish, right, cause you're thinking about yourself and your body and like all those things. And I was like I never really thought of it that way.
Speaker 1:But something that I've used to reframe anxiety that I felt is that instead of going in and being like oh my gosh, yeah, like what are they going to think about me? Am I going to deliver it? Right, and this, you know, all these things it's like how can I serve the space that I'm walking into? Right? So it sort of takes them the pressure off you Cause it's like what can I give the space, rather than being so consumed with like, oh my gosh, like I'm shaking or this, are they going to notice? And you know, I think we all have anxiety. We're humans. Nobody's perfect, right? And this idea that we have to be perfect for some reason, you know, through society, and it's like embrace the imperfection, you know, because that's the beautiful part of us, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's and it's the beautiful part of us. That's exactly right. Yeah, and it's a beautiful reframe beautiful reframe it is.
Speaker 2:it is that inbuilt fear system that is stopping you. And when we, when I talk about keeping people small, I think of it as that frequency beyond the stage. So I always think about it. Okay, if I'm serving, it doesn't matter whether it's stage, whether it's it's it's zoom, whether it doesn't matter where you are. If the frequency is in fear, it doesn't carry in the same way that love does. It doesn't have that same power build up that love does, which is very much a feeling of service, and that's the part that the audience connects to. So you won't connect If you're fearful and worried about connecting you the audience connects to so you won't connect. If you're fearful and worried about connecting, you're not going to your job.
Speaker 2:As a service entrepreneur, a spiritual entrepreneur, a coach, a speaker, a facilitator, whatever you are doing in this world you choose to do in this world, your job is to go past the screen, past the front of the stage, past whatever the front rows of your audience, in whatever capacity you are working with someone, so that they feel it on the other end. So if you're in a room, for example, of 100 people, your energy has to serve all of the room to the back. And if you're using a microphone, for example, if we go back to the voice part, if you're using a microphone. A microphone is a frequency enhancer, not a frequency creator. It is built for spaces bigger than the hundred seater room that you're currently in. We have gotten smaller and therefore those microphones have come in to those spaces which probably never would have existed before. So the smaller the spaces again, like when you talk about teachers, when you talk about facilitators, and they're in a room of like eight people a boardroom and they're using a microphone.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, what? Yeah, no, that's lazy. That's actually lazy. You're not working with your energy. You're misaligned all over the place because you think that microphone is creating the sound. It's not. You create the sound that is then enhanced by the microphone. Yeah, the only reason why someone should use a microphone is if they're outside, very little frequency and resonance coming back. That's it. That's it the rest. But you still have to create the sound for that microphone to then pick up. And if it's not functioning efficiently, no hell, and there's no way that this thing is going to work.
Speaker 2:yeah, so the way, in the way that you want it to yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:That's funny. I've been using it with like eight people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like yeah, yeah, b-y-o boombox for those in the back can't hear me yeah do you have any like maybe simple tools for people to sort of have that reframe or just to begin healing Because you know I know a lot of people that do listen to this, you know are aware of the power of frequency and things like that but just in the healing power of even just singing or humming and, like you said, that vagal nerve activation, of activation. So for anyone that's like maybe just trying to strengthen their voice or strengthen the way they speak or be able to be, you know, more aligned or whatever term like in whatever capacity and space that they're in, is like just any maybe simple tool or reframe.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's a few things. Firstly, I'll take it into capacity, not just from how sound is created, because that understanding is really helpful, but I'll I'll take it into capacity not just from how sound is created, because that understanding is really helpful, but I'll give very much the cliff notes. But also, a space needs to be able to resonate like. The freedom of resonance needs to be supported, and they are two very different things. So space gets created when we access the breath into lower parts of our body. Space. We need to basically get all of the muscles out of the way and allow our body to breathe in a manner that is now no longer normal but natural. In a manner that is now no longer normal but natural. So natural state of breathing is what we did when we were babies. Nothing the world hadn't hindered us yet, hadn't told us who we are, what we are, how we act. Suck your stomach in. You need to be thinner. Stop talking out loud. None of that has happened yet. Everyone goes.
Speaker 2:Oh my god you, you're just, you know, oh, bliss, beautiful, wonderful magic. Yes, yes, you are and you still are, but we need to get back to that state and that state is an unmuscular breathing pattern. Now, I talk about this because when the breath is limited, because we all know that our lungs are in our chest, however, the concept of the diaphragm has come in and hindered a lot of this, particularly in spiritual spaces, and we talk about diaphragmatic breathing, and the concept of diaphragmatic breathing has, like I see so many people like I need to breathe for my diaphragm. I'm like no, you don't need to breathe from your diaphragm, you need to breathe past it, because the diaphragm literally cuts us in half. It sits pretty much on the solar plexus, so when we focus and when we tend to hyper focus, it locks. And it locks when it shouldn't lock, because the whole purpose of the diaphragm is literally to help air draw into our lungs through gravity. We don't actually breathe in, we draw air in through gravity and then the power is actually in the exhalation. You can control your breath out. You actually can't control your breath in, and that's the part where people's brains pour out of their ears because they're like oh, my God, I actively breathe in. No, actually, you don't. Gravity draws air into you. It's like you know, when you've got a ball and you roll it up to try and get the air out, but the air in seems to be just so much easier to take in when you pump it up. There's no real restriction, it just kind of fills. That's kind of. That's kind of what happens is that it's the power, the rolling out to get the air out, that builds up the pressure to then allow the air to come back in. So what tends to happen is we go okay, I want to breathe, we're going to breathe into my diaphragm, we'll do diaphragmatic breathing, and then the diaphragm must becomes muscular because we go oh, I need to focus on my diaphragm, I need to control it, and control is the worst thing you can do for it, and we all love controlling stuff.
Speaker 2:However, the diaphragm doesn't function when it's controlled. It's like a trampoline that sits underneath your lungs. So as you breathe in, it drops down. As you breathe out, it rises up. If that is locked in place and that muscle does not want to drop down, the way it's built to, your breath doesn't go past that muscle, because the lungs sit above it and the only place it can go is up. So you have shoulder breathe and you go, and all of that breath then puts a lot of excess pressure onto all the muscles that sit in the throat. So when you hear people gasping for breath, that's pressure, that's muscular.
Speaker 2:Now, in order to release the diaphragm, you have to pretend it doesn't exist and you are going to instead. And there's a couple of exercises that I give, but there's a really good one which I do for just basic awareness, and it is we use a touch of our body because our bodies are really hyper-aware of touch. So when we touch ourselves, our brain goes oh yeah, there's a hand on my thigh or there's something on my foot, you know what I mean. Our brain connection to our body becomes really quick. That activation becomes really quick. So, chest, start with just the middle of the chest and you imagine that you're um, if you put a hand fully on your chest and you breathe in, imagining that your lungs are actually your hand. So we're isolating the airflow into that space and the best way to do this is lying down, because there's no, no gravity to hold on to muscle, um, but this helps a great deal. Then we take and move that hand and we take it a little bit further and put it just below our diaphragm and into the pit of our stomach and again we're isolating the breath. So the breath is going to breathe into that hand, nowhere else. So he's really trying to isolate that. It's really hard, it is, it's very, very hard. And our brain goes I can't quite understand what's going on. That's it.
Speaker 2:And then we take the next step, which is actually, uh, our lower abdomen, so where our ovaries for women sit, gentlemen's, about four, about four inches below your, uh, your navel, and you're going to put your hand on there and you are just going to breathe in there. So your lungs now are in your hand, in that low space, and everyone goes I can't do this and I'm like that's because your brain's involved. I'm thinking about it. Yes, you are. So we, the last place we do it is we take both hands and we put them on the hips.
Speaker 2:So where? Where the torso and the hip joint, sorry, where the thigh joint, upper thigh joint, that space, if you just lie the base, the palm of the hand, just below that, and you put both hands and now your lungs are in your thighs basically. So you're going to breathe into that space instead, and what you'll feel, particularly if you're lying down, there's much more access to it. But what should happen is there are muscles that sit just above the, into the torso, just on that hip joint, that actually release, and they're meant to release, but society has told us that we shouldn't ever release those because they're not meant to be released, because we need to be skittering. You know, whatever those muscles are meant to actually relax because they are also connected, because every muscle in our body is connected, frustratingly enough, into that whole space that sits not just in our lower torso but around the back as well, and it becomes this central activation of muscle and release of muscles that have been holding on for an eternity.
Speaker 2:Now, once you've gone through the activation, isolated, then I normally get someone to put hand on chest, hand on the lower abdomen again, and then just breathe as though the whole body is now lungs and what should happen is those lower muscles and you hear gurgles and all sorts of stuff that finally come into the body. They're meant to happen. They're actually meant. Hear gurgles and all sorts of stuff that finally come into the body. They're meant to happen. Yeah, those, they're actually meant to gurgle.
Speaker 2:So if you're not gurgling. If you're not gurgling, there's a lot of tension being held. Yeah, because it should feel like and that's the stomach finally being released, so the diaphragm can then be released and all the muscles that have been held up through that entire thing. So that's the first one just lying with that, that allowing that breath to relax the diaphragmatic. When we talk about diaphragmatic breathing it's actually that the diaphragm is able to extend down. But if everything's locking at a place, it can't extend. So we've just got to imagine it's not there and go past it, all right. The second thing that is important is that once you've created the space, then start humming Just nice, low, easy, like mmm and when I talk about women have this access, mmm, it's almost like it comes from a really low rumble state. That's meant to happen. That resonance is meant to happen, but what you'll feel is that it's all the way down into, like the lower chest. You can almost feel it down your stomach. That's how resonance, when it's released, that resonance access, can. Then it acts kind of like a whirlpool, it's like a cavity, it's like the cathedral. You've got space for sound to just resonate. There's nothing limiting it, it's just resonating. And then the third part is really the support of that, which is, then we reactivate the muscle, the right muscles, to then support this. Now, the biggest thing with this is that if you're reactivating, it is the same muscles that we use when we cough, when we laugh, when we give birth. They are a much lower primal muscle that is internally active. It's not a six pack that sits on the outside. Everyone's like, oh, six pack, what's going on? Yeah, no, imagine, it's not there. We go to the side, and the easiest way to access this is if we grab our thumbs. We put our thumbs to the side of our bodies, just below our rib cage and just above our hip bone. There's a little gap of about a couple of inches. That's squishy, or should be squishy. And if you shove your thumbs in, you're like, oh yeah, that's squishy. Now, if you just cough lightly in, you're like, oh yeah, they're squishy. Now, if you just cough lightly, you'll feel them activate and they're the muscles that we use to support. So they're on the inside out. They function internally outward, not outward in, and that internal outward is where the flexibility happens.
Speaker 2:So you can use the breath, be flexible with the breath, manage the stream of air of flow that goes through your breath, manage your volume, manage your sound resonance. That is the control you have when it's away from the part that's creating the sound. So there's multiple parts to it. But again, that's creating the sound. So there's multiple parts to it. But again, if you're resistant, if you're energetically stuck, if you're closed off, you won't get access to that. So it's quite a big process. But people who I have been working with I had one particular lady who had a massive change in four days just from doing a. The archetype be this relaxation, breath work and um, because we hadn't gone into support yet, just breath work and um, uh, just engaging resonance. Four days and like that's. I've done this for 20 years. Like I was like how, but it's profound, like, like. When I'm seeing that those kinds of responses, I'm like, okay, I, I'm onto something here, there's something going on and the world needs it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing. I couldn't like, on my the part underneath my hips, well, I'm also like a little bit cold, so I'm like shivering, so I'm like noticing how tense my body is as I was trying to do this, but I was like I couldn't get.
Speaker 2:I just couldn't, my mind couldn't like breathe into that spot, it's like no, when you cough, when you laugh, when you sneeze all of those muscles. Next time you do that, go what just happened, like something just moved. Yeah, it's those internal muscles that turn on internal activation. That's the one we want to cause, that's the one that gets out of the way. It's like a little person who lives inside of you Cause it's like yeah, I do have two more questions.
Speaker 1:Do you have time, of course? Okay, so this is just like a kind of a random one, but as we were like kind of going through that, I thought about it with Would like abdominal surgeries impact like the way you speak or communicate, or the energy or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely. Um, from a biological sense alone, yes, absolutely, um, particularly like cause. I know there's a lot of mothers who go in and have, you know, for example, um, the uh, the, the reconstructive surgery over the abdomen, like where it separates? Yes, absolutely. But your body's biology and this is the most wonderful thing about it is that it doesn't matter how. Your body has the ability to heal itself and to regenerate and to build up and to relax, and it has this ability to do it.
Speaker 2:Yes, it can take time. Yes, it can take some focused work and some intention, but absolutely not even a question. There are people who have complete and utter vocal meltdowns, who have had surgeries, not just from, you know, not just abdomen. We're talking, you know, vocal surgeries, nodules, all sorts of stuff have come from literally the depths of. Oh my God, I have no voice to then having their voice reconstructed through slow, intentional work, because our bodies are bloody smart, smarter than our brain, yeah, smarter than our brain, way smarter than our brain, and we have to kind of get our heads around that. Yes, not even a question. Not even a question. You have the ability to heal and to regenerate and to recondition.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then my last question is, of course, emotions related. But how do we use this work to maybe heal our emotions and you know, or how does that come through? Sort of tying into a little bit, I guess of what we were talking about before is when we're communicating and not bringing that fully through. But how can we, in the reverse, use it to heal?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So anger is a big one. Anger is a really, really big one that often gets stored, particularly with women. So if we're going to talk emotions, let's go all out. Yeah, anger from a when it's connected, and this is why, for example, when babies cry forever, they don't lose their voices. When the voice is truly connected to the emotion voices, when the voice is truly connected to the emotion, we have a resilience like nothing on earth.
Speaker 2:When it's connected to the emotion, truly connected to the emotion, it's a fantastic way to get it out. So, when you talk about screaming into pillows, for example, which is a great way, you know, a lot of actors are taught how to scream, how to cry not cry, but cry out in a way that is deeply connected so they don't damage their voice. It is a great way to process if it's done to its truest connection. So if you're half-assing it, it's not connected fully and it's being really that awareness, being in response to it, that helps process the emotion, being this unfiltered space in our when we're working through stuff, when we're, you know, journaling it out and going through the emotions and noticing, okay, oh, I've got a trigger to something. What is that emotion that's coming up and how do I best process it so or get it out, so that it is not then being imposed on other people in an unhealthy way. And for me, like again, as long as it's connected directly to the emotion, it is a fantastic fuel to release and for a lot of women I know, anger is a big one right now, a lot of stored anger that needs to come out. There are a lot of facilitators for that kind of work. That's not my specialty, but identifying it absolutely, but working through it. There are people who are far more talented in this than I am and far more expert in this than I am that can help you release the emotion from a somatic point of view. That is vocally connected, but it has to be vocally connected in a like I'm talking anchored in, I'm talking like all fingernails rooted down into the emotion. That is then releasing all of the emotion from that truth place. When we talk about transparency and alignment, it must be connected.
Speaker 2:If the voice is able to be used to heal it Now from a vagus nerve point of view, particularly if you're feeling unsafe to vocalize, particularly if you're feeling unsafe to vocalise, using low humming is a really great way. It's very personal, but it's a great way to self-soothe Because the vagus nerve is directly connected into the throat area. The access to the vibration is quite easy, but it's a great like, particularly working through trauma, if you're unable to speak, if you literally feel like you've just been. You feel gagged every time you talk and you don't feel safe enough to to speak up or you feel like you're constantly just silencing yourself. The vape working with the vagus nerve is a really great way to um resonate safety because of where it connects and you just do it like again it doesn't. I still on the bus all the time. I still like I do it in the car all the time. I am literally just I poke my tongue out to make sure that there's no tongue root being pulled back and blocking the space. But tongue out and I'm going to.
Speaker 3:If this gets recorded and people see the visual, I'm so sorry, but poke your tongue out as far as it'll go close your teeth down on it and just hum and it actually releases a whole different um energy.
Speaker 2:So and that just low resonance it activates, so low that a lot of the the vagus nerve is being stimulated, not just from the place it's being vibrated from, but all the way down.
Speaker 1:Interesting yeah.
Speaker 2:I do the humming. Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do the humming a lot like in the car if I'm feeling anxious or something. I'm just like you know, I'll just sort of like, but I haven't stuck my tongue out. I'll have to try that one next time. Just do that. One Tongue root is a good one.
Speaker 2:Only because the tongue is the, the it is. So you, most people don't know this, but the tongue is actually the strongest muscle in the body and it has the ability to cause havoc on vocal, uh, function. It's why, if you've got tongue roots, so you can literally shove your thumbs and fingers up into so where your jaw sits, um, you can feel the whole way down and you can massage it right just into the jawline, and all of that is directly connected to the tongue. Now, yeah, that's the thing, that's the next step. It's like if you reach up, poke your tongue out, as far as it'll go, all of these muscles get tighter again and people go, go like that's exactly right, it has a gag, it's all attached to our gag reflexes, it's all attached to everything.
Speaker 2:So getting the tongue out is actually really important because our tongue it is is our safety mechanism when we yawn, so it stops particles going down our esophagus, um, sorry, our food pipe. It has a really prominent function, but when, when you speak and wanting to access resonance, it gets in the way. So we need to be aware that that is a thing because, again, it's all not just attached to here, it's all up in the jaw, it's all up in the back, it is so full on If you get migraines and headaches, really great one to release to help release that energy state state to to then get like, okay, start getting rid of the muscle tension that's in that jaw, in in that tongue root and um, yeah it helps a great deal.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. I know there's been like times before where I've been nervous and I just feel like my tongue is like three sizes too big, tripping up my words it's gone.
Speaker 2:It's gone like this, all the muscles going like this and it literally battens up the back of your tongue. It's just because.
Speaker 1:I'm anxious and I'm tense.
Speaker 2:That's it just flattening out, that's fascinating it pulls back and it flattens, going oh my god, I need to be prepared, huh, and that is literally what it does. It literally just kind of pulls back on it. It's kind of, yeah, it's weird, yeah, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's full-on. But and nervous energy is the is the hardest way to manage, um, these states. If you're not getting yourself into nervous states and then actually figuring out because it's a whole kettle of tools in and of itself to develop states in which all of these natural things that normally would happen are not starting to happen. You've got tools and tricks to help settle it down. A big one and most people don't know this is that nervous energy.
Speaker 2:Um, when these kind of states sort of kick in, you can actually release it quite easily if you just go for a run around the theater or you know, jump up and down or exert the energy somehow, and it because there's nowhere for the energy to go other than to run like, yeah, and that's the whole, that's our fight and flight. So run, skip, jump up, star jumps, do something to exert yourself to just release. It's like taking the kettle, letting the kettle air go, the steam go when the kettle's boiling Like that, otherwise explodes. Either you release the tap or you become almost unfunctionable and unfunctioning yeah, so it's got to be released somehow, really great way to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I love like so Mars is your expression of your emotions, right? And you know, for you, your emotions are connected to your sacral, it's connected to your throat and, like that 59, it's just beautiful how it's like, literally, your emotions are coming through your throat and that's what you're, you know, supporting people with. I think it's amazing, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:If you can't express your emotions and I think, like this has been my life's work, for coming from a family and I adore my family but, my God, emotions were not a thing and I was highly emotional. I'm like why is this not a thing, like you know? Why is that not a thing? This is this or like that. Yeah, why is that not a thing? This is, this is my, my life's work. And then I get on stage.
Speaker 3:I'm like because then no one can tell me to shut up, like I can do this.
Speaker 2:Yeah it tells me to shut up, and then I'm like, oh, hang on a second.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a gap here that I can, that I can feel so yeah for me so in in human design, my solar plexus is connected to my throat and I think that's part of a huge why, of why I do this podcast right, cause it's like talking about emotion, emotions, supporting with emotions, bringing people and different tools to help people with that part of their life, because it's emotional mastery, you know, is what the podcast is called, but it's so much more than that. You know, it's all holistic and it's all connected and it's just, it's incredible.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but this is amazing and I'm loving the work you're doing. This is so great.
Speaker 1:I know I could talk to you for so long. This has been so fascinating, but if there's anything that you feel like you, you know you want to share with the listeners, or, um, you know any last words, and definitely let them know how they can connect with you um, you know any last words and definitely let them know how they can connect with you.
Speaker 2:Sure, um last words, this is lifelong work. It's not a one and done doesn't exist. Yeah, it's lifelong work and if you're in it, you're in for the long haul there is, you know, you talk about energy. Is your medicine this energy? Is this? This work is my medicine, it has been my medicine, it still is my medicine and um it this? Yeah, it's a lifelong adventure really. Yeah, lifelong journey to to know that the voice has this potential and, yeah, I'm here for the long haul, stick it out and see what happens.
Speaker 2:Hey, yeah um, that's yeah. Know that it's a lifelong thing. Don't think it's a one-and-done and it takes the pressure off everything really yeah, yeah all right and that's. There's enough pressure. We don't need it with our voices as well.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's a big thing, yeah is there anything that you're working on that you want people to know about, or definitely like yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, it's. It's been a pretty big month. January's been pretty big already. Um, it has. I am in the process. I'm literally on a pre-launch for my releasear program, which will launch on the 1st of February. It is currently on special offer, pre-sale prices, and there are two distinct programs for different pricing levels, depending on where you're at, what you want to do, how quickly you want to move.
Speaker 2:There's the Signature program, which is, you know, the one-on-one program with me, and, um, there's a signature program, which is, you know, the one-on-one program with me. And then there's also a membership and community, which is a year-long monthly membership, which gives people access to all the stuff, just without me, which, which, um, you know, I wanted to make this as accessible as possible for for everyone, no matter what your needs are and no matter what your price point is, because, yeah, this work is needed big time. So that is on pre-launch. If you're wanting to access that, you can go to misdrogerscom and there is a tab under Work With Me that has all that information. Please reach out if there's anything you would like to know further at hello at misdrogerscom. And, yeah, I am so grateful for this time we've had. It's been been so wonderful.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much me too, and thank you. Thank you for the work that you're doing and for sharing it with everyone well, it's been bliss.
Speaker 2:Thanks for helping. Thank you.