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Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane Podcast! This is the space where spirituality meets self-discovery and personal growth. I’m your host, Rochelle Christiane—your guide to holistic health, emotional regulation, embodiment and soulful alignment. This space is all about helping you reconnect with your body’s wisdom, master your emotions, and align with your unique energy using tools like astrology, Human Design, and holistic wellness practices. Each week, I’ll share transformative conversations and practical guidance to help you heal, embody your truth, and create deeper alignment in your life. This is your invitation to step into your power, trust yourself, and master your emotions. Let’s dive in!
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232. Aligning Life and Business: The Transformative Power of Human Design
This week I spoke with Nicole Guena all about Human Design and business.
In this episode Nicole and I talk about:
- How Nicole found Human Design
- Conditioning in Human Design & Astrology
- Emotional Authority
- Human Design in the Workplace
- Understanding the nuances of your chart
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Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast. I'm Rachelle, your host. I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms. This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive. We'll explore human design, astrology and other tools to help you understand your unique energy. I like to call myself the holistic explorer because I'm always exploring holistic remedies. More importantly, though, we're going to talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects, so each week, I'm going to share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic. So if you're ready to step up, take control and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the episode. This conversation with Nicole Guena is so good, all about human design and business. And, really quickly before the episode starts, this is going to be a real brief introduction, because it is late and I have been so lit up and excited and busy with podcast interviews over the last few days. I have so many good ones coming to you, but I wanted to ask you a quick question Are you ready to align with your design? Are you ready to start looking at your gifts? Are you ready to remember your purpose and really step into that and embody that? If so, I really hope that you consider joining the Holistic Human Design Academy, where we go through all aspects of your design in order to take you from confusion to clarity, to really understand, and not just understand. I want you to remember the gifts and the talents that you hold within, because so often we're focused on the things that we don't have, and it's time to take our power back. It's time to come inside, remember who we are and remember all of the beautiful wisdom and the beautiful gifts that we hold within ourselves. I also am offering a one-on-one coaching package, where this is one-on-one with you to really align, to give you accountability, to integrate and embody your design, because it's all about embodiment. These systems are so amazing and they're so beautiful and so often we get so lit up by it and then we have a session and then two weeks later, we're back to our old patterning, our conditioning, and so this is really designed to keep you accountable, to peel back the layers, to really align you with your body, to align you with how your body best operates. The beautiful thing about human design is that it gives you a step-by-step process to aligning with yourself, with remembering who you are, remembering that you hold all of the magic already. Let's start looking at what we're good at. Let's start looking at our gifts, because so often they come so natural to us that we forget that they're there or we don't place importance on it, and it's time to focus on that rather than try and fit into a box that wasn't made for us. So I hope that you join me.
Speaker 1:The links are down below. You can visit my website at rochellechristiancom. You can find me on Instagram at rochellechristian. That's R-O-C-H-E-L-L-E, dot. C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n-e.
Speaker 1:I've also begun loading some podcasts, or loading the podcast episodes to YouTube, and I've started another YouTube channel specifically for human design, or a playlist rather a YouTube playlist specifically for human design content which I'm uploading now. So if you have any topics you want covered, any questions you want answered, shoot me a DM on Instagram and I will make sure that I create a video for it. And all the ways that you can connect with Nicole are also down in the show notes. So I thank Nicole so much for coming and sharing her wisdom and the just power of this modality. I'm always blown away and I'm always a student of it and I'm always obsessed. So thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the Emotional Mastery Podcast. Today I have Nicole Guena and she is a human design expert, personal growth and group dynamics coach and we're going to talk all about human design and how we can utilize this in our own lives, and it's obviously a topic that I'm obsessed with. I love has never for a minute not been part of my life since I learned about it. So I'm so excited to have this conversation and we met through Almost 30's Podcast Accelerator program. We were just talking about it in 2021, which is wild that it's almost 2025. It's just like time has like just been this weird thing for the last few years. But I'm going to give you the floor and you can, you know, introduce yourself, you know, and just share as much or as little as you'd like about your journey, sort of any pivotal moments along the way that have gotten you to where you're at and then we can really dig into, you know, human design and all the things.
Speaker 2:And, if you want to, start actually by sharing your design. Um, just so everybody knows you know who you are. Yeah, that sounds great. Very excited to nerd out on all things. Um, I'm a three, five emotional manifesting generator. I know you're also an astrology girly. So I.
Speaker 2:I see sun, sag, moon, taurus rising as well. Yeah, so I love working with them together too, but I'm definitely not as well versed on astrology as you are. But yeah, so basically, what brought me to human design? I started my career in corporate fashion I still live in New York City, did at the time and I was kind of like your classic, like hustle culture type, a perfectionist, constantly productive, like that kind of thing. And I hit my Saturn return, which at the time I had no idea what any of that meant. But I was like what am I doing? Like I just don't even know if I'm happy. I just felt very like I'm like living life on autopilot. I don't even know, like what I want to do, if I like what I'm doing. I'm just constantly like tired and waking up and doing it again the next day, essentially.
Speaker 2:And someone at work actually mentioned human design to me. She heard Jenna Zoe on the Almost 30 podcast, which I feel like is how so many people talk about human design and it's super resonated with me and I've always been like a. I love a good personality test, like any quiz and you know, buzzfeed or whatever it is Like. I always love that stuff. But anything self-assessed like, I just never felt like it really hit the mark, because it's so hard to see ourselves clearly. And astrology I feel like I'm a Pisces sun. At the time. I was like really not in touch with any of At the time. I was like really not in touch with any of those qualities, so I was like that doesn't make any sense to me either. But human design just like made perfect sense right away, like perfectly identified with all of those elements. But this was like 2019. And it was pretty hard to find good information about human design unless you wanted to like pay 1000s of dollars to get certified. So I like always had it in the background of my mind and like always wanted to learn anything I could, but I was just using the little bits that I had.
Speaker 2:And then a few years ago, I was getting married and I was having some issues like within my family. So I started going to therapy for the first time and I was like I just feel like I'm dancing on the surface of my problems, like I just keep having the same conversation, like I could talk to. I have plenty of people in my life I can vent to, like I don't need to pay a therapist to vent, Like I want you to help me get to what I'm like not seeing. And around that time was when way more people started coming out in the human design space and sharing like the deeper layers and as I was digging into it I was like this, is it Like this, literally, is what's bringing me to like the essence of like why I do the things I do, why I think the way I think, why I'm bumping up against this person because they're this way and I'm this way. And it just gave me so much more like understanding and compassion for all of the elements that were happening, whether that be interpersonal or even just for myself. Like it really helped with like being critical and the doubting myself and all of that.
Speaker 2:Like my main gate in human design is gate 63. So the gate of doubt with that always and that's like a forever journey. But insights like that were like wow, this is huge and it it the type A girly in me loves that there's like a path, there's strategy Like it's. And it it the type A girly in me loves that there's like a path, there's strategy, like it's, not just like oh, this is your chart, so you're this way. It's like you're this way. So here are the steps, like here are the tangible practical ways that you can implement it in your life.
Speaker 2:And I just started sharing it with other people in my life and they were loving it and, yeah, then I was like there's something to this.
Speaker 2:I was like previously helped coaching and it just wasn't feeling.
Speaker 2:I had so much imposter syndrome which I know is kind of part of the game of like doing anything that puts you out of your comfort zone but it was just like I was like this just isn't right, like it's just not feeling like the thing.
Speaker 2:And human design just felt like this language that I remembered as soon as I started learning those deeper layers. So that's basically what's brought me here, where I classic manifesting generator style like I can't pick just one thing I help people with. So it's everything from like individuals with personal growth or their career or dating or whatever it may be, to like working with people in corporate and doing workshops so that they can understand their teams better, or parent child readings so you can raise your child with an understanding of human design. So I just love how the insights from it apply to everything in your life. Like I can go into a corporate setting and talk about it in a work focused way. But then it's like but go home and like deal with your wife the same way, all the same strategies apply. And like deal with your wife the same way, all the same strategies apply.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it. I love that. What was like the thing?
Speaker 2:or if there was one specific thing, like as you were learning your own design, that you're like, wow, like I feel so seen Learning the three five for me the biggest, um, because the three like the three being the internal number of feeling like I'm just like messing things up constantly and am I ever going to get this figured out? But then that five of like, but yet somehow everyone thinks I have it figured out and that I don't need any help. And I noticed how, like I also have very classic like older daughter syndrome, good girl syndrome, like all that kind of stuff, and I feel like the three, five so can compound that Cause it was kind of like projected on me that I had it figured out and that I was good and that I didn't really need all this like extra help and things like that. And it's like I believed that and I think that's kind of that like fifth line projection fields. And then, as you know, I got older and started doing all this healing work.
Speaker 2:I'm like wow, I actually wasn't necessarily always and it's more than I just came off that way. And then when people tell you you're a certain way, you're conditioned to feel that way, which I think the whole conditioning element of human design, and I'd be curious about your thoughts on this. This is what I feel like is missing from astrology conversations, typically, when people are like oh, I don't resonate with like X, y, z. It's like well, yeah, because you were conditioned to think that wasn't a problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I always say when I'm having astrology conversation with people or if I'm doing a reading, I always say, because there's a higher and lower expression of everything, right, there's always duality, there's always polarity. So it's like when you're looking at, just for an example, like I'm going to give it, throw an aspect out there, just because it's it's one of mine that I'm so familiar with, but it's just like an example of that. Like Venus is square, jupiter, which really just means it's a harsher. There's an internal challenge between these two benefic. They're like good planets, right, and in theory, you would look at that and be like, oh my gosh, you probably like Venus, jupiter talking to each other. You probably make so much money or you're like so abundant, but there is like an underlying shadow with everything Right. And so I do love that conditioning piece in human design where you can like, see that and be like, oh, this center is open. And, like I said, when I talk about astrology, I feel like there's always how our childhood happened Like you can have a harsh aspect that could speak to violence, but if you weren't, if that wasn't activated in your childhood, then that could be dormant and maybe you just, you know, get real angry when you watch a football game or something you know. I think there are levels to like how it expresses, based on how you were raised, and I also think that human design and astrology just go so beautifully together because astrology is part of human design, right. So it's like when you're looking at any sort of aspect that you can layer the gates in there too and like how they talk to each other in the chart, and that's why, like, it's also hard for me to do any sort of astrology stuff without human design being a layer, because I think, like you said, that the tangible tools of like this is logic based, right. Where it's like okay, now I can understand and I can accept myself and I can see myself, okay, and now here's the steps to start that deconditioning process, and so I think that's the most beautiful gift of human design too. Where it's like I, because you're an emotional authority too, and it's interesting with the three five.
Speaker 1:I just one note anyone who has a three five profile I've noticed so many three fives do hold that imposter syndrome, because you have so much chaos and failure and trial and error, and then you have that fifth line in the background. That's just like, like you said, people come to you like you have it figured out. But then your mind you're like but I don't have it figured out, but I need to have it figured out, right, and so I have, I'm a six, three, and so you know, in that role model. So in my mind I'm like, well, I have to be the role model. I have to like tell everybody what works, but then in the background I'm just failing at everything and I'm like but everybody's going to think about failure. So it's like kind of similar but kind of different in like reverse roles. But it does.
Speaker 1:I have held a lot of imposter syndrome in my life too, where I'm like but I have to look this certain way, I have to be guiding people, or I have to like have my shit figured out. But then it's like also, the only way to figure it out is through trial and error. You know, like my daughter's a one, three and she goes through that right the investigator, but then she's trialing and she's like I don't know what I'm going to do and I don't taught how to fail and how to fail properly, I guess. And you know, cause it's like I don't know. It's interesting.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent, especially too when it's like that classic, kind of like perfectionist stuff, it like really popping up against itself. Like I have an undefined root which I super also resonate with. Yeah, and the only gate that I have coming off of it is gate 58, you know that desire to perfect and for everything best it can be. So I feel like all that adrenalized stress, root energy, is like filtered through the lens of like everything should be perfect. I so see that in myself. Like when I learned that way of kind of looking at the flavor of the way the gates in an undefined center can like show up, I was like well, that makes total sense, because that's like completely, where that like stress, energy flows through for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, and I think also having an undefined root with a defined sacral plexus, solar plexus, I have that. I'm an emotional authority as well and I have an undefined root and it's so much pressure of like we need to make the decision now and I'm like, oh my gosh, but I know I'm supposed to wait, but I don't want to wait because it's not going to be here the next time, or even with just purchases or things like that, and I think that's one of the most beautiful things about human design is your authority, where it can get you begin the practice of getting out of your head and into your body. But I also think emotional authority is one of the most challenging ones because it's like a constant, like I don't know, I don't know lucky.
Speaker 2:This is because those people it seems like the issue is not typically I don't know what my decision is. It's that I'm just allowing other people's emotions or me wanting to please somebody else, to not trust what my body. But they typically are very in touch with what their body is telling them, whereas I feel like with me I have trouble just being in touch with that period, because I feel like the whole concept of emotional authority is like not as straightforward. In that sense, I feel like the best way I've heard it explained is that it's almost like you wait until you get neutral emotionally and then you're checking in with that body reaction. I feel like people explain emotional authority a little bit differently, but I do find that people who have emotional authority typically are not as in touch with their gut. Yeah, emotions are always there, kind of like messing with that story, and that's what I've found.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how does it feel for you?
Speaker 2:So when it's really obvious, like the this is also another like part of my journey with human design. I had first ordered that like definitive book of like the human design, like Bible and it'll cost like bucks or something, and it like came in the mail and I opened it and I was like I want to eat this book, so excited right now, like it was one of the most like, super obvious, like this is my sacral like right now. Um, so it's. It's sometimes I feel like it's so on that it's like hard to ignore and it is kind of that like yeah, I want to like, eat it.
Speaker 2:Like how you feel about like your dog, where you just want to like because we love them so much, like I'll feel that towards like a decision or like something physical that represents, you know, like a book or something like that and I guess, the drained thing too. I think I just also find it hard because sometimes the things that we like experience resistance towards at first is a mental thing and it's actually our body. So it's like hard to be like. Okay, what is just my mind convincing me that I don't want to do this? And now my body's like hard to be like. Okay, what is just my mind convincing me that I don't want to do this? And now my body's like responding to my mind versus like what is visceral.
Speaker 2:So something I've kind of been experimenting with more is checking in with that feeling of satisfaction, like in post, because it's kind of easier for me to be like okay, maybe I had like so much resistance to getting to the gym today or whatever, but once I'm there, I'm in it and once it's done I feel really good, versus the times where it's like you kind of know that like no, you're going to go, you're going to feel worse, you're going to drag yourself through the workout, you're going to feel worse the next day, you're going to be stressed because you didn't do the thing. You were just wanted to finish, kind of thing. So I find that it kind of helps me build that like trust muscle with the system when I'm like reflecting on the signature and like kind of learning it in that sense, because for me it's typically not as cut and dry as like wanting to eat the book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, do you have a defined spleen as well? Yeah. Yeah, so I have that as well. I have spleen, sacral and solar plexus, and so sometimes I know you do get a lot of those in the moment hits and I think that with the undefined root too right, then it's like adding pressure, fueling those in the moment hits, and it's like I've noticed for me sometimes. So what channel do you have defined for your authority?
Speaker 2:35, 36 defined for your uh authority uh 35, 36 to the okay so collective.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I have, um, I have individual, so it's like those little like short spikes, whatever. But like I've noticed, like sometimes it takes like really long, like I have to like come back to that truth like multiple times to like trust it, and it's like I I know what the answer is, probably the first time I hit it, but then sometimes I just have to like cycle through a a few more times just to be like, oh hey, is it going to change? Cause, yeah, I think the mind's like really takes over a lot. You know, and it's like I was just having a conversation with my mom, because my daughter's 14 and she has 59, six, and those are the only that's the only channel she has in her design, so know, magnetic channel, and she she's just really struggling.
Speaker 1:And it's like how do you explain to a 14 year old that your thoughts aren't your truth, your emotions aren't your truth? You know, like, like really, in hindsight, it's like you have to like let the like move these things through you to come back to your truth. But of course she doesn't want to hear anything from mom and grandma, and you know what I mean. She's really seeking to find like what's for her now. But it's like it's challenging to have lived that you know and and and go through it and I think like I try and drop in human design astrology here and there and she's just like you can't like astrology everything away. I'm not, but it's true. So I just like leave it and I'm like she'll, she knows where to go, right when she wants that information. Cause she did let me read it one time and she's like why is it so accurate?
Speaker 2:And I was like I don't know, and I can imagine too, with our like, all that openness Cause for me I'm fairly defined, like I only have an undefined root um ajna and head but, I'm also defined. So, like the layers of like, I think for me, as far as like the understanding of other people and the interpersonal dynamics that I find the centers are like, make such a big difference, because it just explains so much so having that much openness.
Speaker 2:I can imagine too, is it's just a whole nother world of things that you're like taking in or kind of like pulling you off from your center. Just saying sometimes that emotional home being your center never really feels all that stabilizing, so you just kind of feel like you're all over the place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's interesting and this is where you know, like that childhood comes into play, right, cause, like I'm dating a reflector who's completely open, but he is like one of the most confident people I've met and so it's interesting what that you know the differences in childhood, or like even layer in astrology, right Like his. We were literally having this conversation last night Cause I was like what makes somebody like my daughter struggle so much? And then somebody like him is just like so confident in life and you know, like whatever, when it's like they're both really open in their human designs, right and like. But then you look layer in the astrology piece too, and my daughter has five zero degree planets. Like that in human in astrology, zero degrees is like you're starting a cycle of something new. It's completely new, right, and so it's really like a really big. It's like it's very rare to have that many zero degree planets in astrology. So those critical degrees is like zero degrees and 29 degrees and so to have so many.
Speaker 1:I knew when I first started learning her chart that she was going to be very different and sensitive and it's so hard in today's world where it's like I think we're learning how to to help people like that or to show up for people, but like it's also this double-edged thing and and I don't know it's, it's a hard, hard, uh, not topic, but cause it's like where are we supporting kids and where are we allowing them to not do the work Right?
Speaker 1:Cause I noticed like sometimes they'll just be like, well, that's too hard, I'm not going to do it, you know, or be using it as an excuse to not do something hard, and it's like, no, you have to like in life, the only way to like change and grow is to face those things that are hard and to do it. And so, anyway, that was a whole tangent, but it's like, but, like you know, having these systems to go back to and look to support, the way you said, doing parent-child readings, and that's beautiful because it really helps us to understand our children and what they need. And my son's a 2-4 generator and he's very defined and that child he's good, you know what I mean. He's just so confident and so sociable in all the things that she's not, and it's just so interesting to see how different they are, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally I love, I mean, and that's where, like the layer of the astrology, stuff where it's like so like you were so meant to be her mom because you understand all those things and you can work with those insights. But so I've actually don't I've like met a reflector, but like don't know any reflectors in any significant kind of way. But they do say that there is that like their aura has that ability to kind of because they are so open, it's like they have that like resistant capabilities. I almost wonder if that's like part of it where I sometimes it almost feels harder to me theoretically to be a generator that only has like one channel. Yeah, all that openness because you truly are open Lecter that has a little bit of that like kind of built in protection to their sensitivity, yeah, no for sure, and I think that you would have to have that, otherwise you'd just be pulled all these directions like all the time.
Speaker 1:You know, and and I do think, like as a reflector too, I mean I I don't know his family yet, but like I would imagine that it really impacts, like what he's taken on to believe not that's going to word incorrectly, but it was like taken on to believe that it's his and not to say that it's not. But like that really, I mean with any childhood, your parents have a huge impact on you, regardless of how defined or not defined that you are. You know, but yeah, I have. It's interesting too because, like he's just I feel like there's such an excitement towards life and I think it is that like surprise, right, that's just like as long as they're like delighted and like the thrill of things, they just.
Speaker 1:I met one in Mexico. She was a 6, three reflector and so I was like walked into that. I was like whoa, am I just going to cause? I'm a six three general, manifesting general, Right? So I was like am I just going to like see myself? It was like so interesting, but like same thing. She just was like traveling the world and just like, do all these? Like her stories were like I was like whoa, it's so crazy, but it's so cool, you know, but yeah know, but yeah, yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2:I mean us having those three lines too. I feel like the part of human design is the talking to people and learning their lived experience. It makes the system so much more like real and actionable and like again, like understanding the nuance of how it looks for so many different people that you could never get from a book and so cool. The more that you can have these conversations and like learn about other people and their designs, it's.
Speaker 1:This is just like my favorite thing, yeah when you're going into like a corporate setting or like a business, you know, setting with human design. How are you speaking to that like differently? Or what are you focusing on? On versus like, if you're like relating it to dating or something?
Speaker 2:So I actually ended up learning from Erin Claire Jones.
Speaker 2:She has some like classes and stuff like that and she explains things in such a like practical way. Because initially I was a little worried like how am I going to not like I like to like explain things and like kind of a verbose way, like color to it, color to it, and I'm going to back myself into like a wooey corner and not be able to get out and like I don't want to be too like that in a more corporate setting. And she just explains things in like such a tangible and tactical way. So I was like okay, this is such a clean way to explain it. And then, obviously, when there's more layered questions and stuff, I'll be leaning on like the way that I would speak to something. So that was a really good like opening point for me to kind of also get past my like perfectionist always trying to make things harder than they need to be. I'm like there's this like expert who has a way of explaining it that I could spend a hundred dollars to learn. Like this is put in front of me so I can respond to it like do it, kind of thing. So that was like a learning and kind of this like whole process, but basically it's pretty much talking about.
Speaker 2:I think what's most important is obviously like type, so you're hitting on your strategy, then authority, of course, like making decisions at work is obviously like one of the most important things to know how to, and also for other people to understand like this person is going to need time versus this person's going to know right away Don't question it, their gut's telling them that it's not going to be logical, like all of that kind of stuff is really helpful.
Speaker 2:The profile lines we always touch on in terms of those, I feel like it's so easy to kind of summarize them in a very succinct way. And the other thing that I find really cool about doing the groups is that, like you'll sometimes have readings with people and they'll be like oh, I don't like really see that in myself, but when you're in a group dynamic, someone will say that and then everyone else in the room will be like that's so you like, what are you talking about? So it like really helps people see themselves more clearly. Other people in the room that know them are like hi, like that, she's literally like reading you like a book, right now.
Speaker 2:And then the centers is because I think to me that is the biggest unlock when it comes to like the interpersonal dynamics of just how we're influencing each other and like not even realizing it. And that emotional center, like knowing if you're defined or undefined there, I think, is like something that we should somehow be implanted with at birth. It like just changes the game to like understand the basics of that but essentially using like those things and like a workshop setting to kind of talk through like okay, these people operate these this way, these people this way, and kind of like how we can support each other, the understanding of each other and what that kind of looks like. And to be honest, I'm not sure if this is even really answering the question that you've asked me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, it's because it's so interesting, because, I mean, I feel like the corporate setting is very different than like going into, you know, a group of people that are just like curious how they can, you know, best show up dating right, Like it's very, very logic-based, and I think that's it also is why human design hits a lot when it comes to that sort of group, because it is logic based right, Like, like you said, there are practical steps to like going through it and it's not like, whereas astrology I think astrology has a lot of like labels to it and you know, it's kind of like woo, woo or like, oh, you believe in the stars and things like that, Right, Whereas like human design, is this new thing that it's like you can explain it in a way that makes sense.
Speaker 1:It is logic-based, you know. So I think it's interesting. You know people who do go into corporate settings and use this as a tool and then, but I would be curious, like people when you go in there and you're like what's your birth time? Is there any like pushback to that of like wait, what is this?
Speaker 2:It was actually really funny, the first one I did with my husband's team and we ended up going out to drinks after the fact and one of the guys came up to me and he was like I wanted to hate this information. I was like I, this is stupid, like I'm not like this, and he's a manifestor. He's an ego manifestor a very rare like combination of traits. So I kept kind of like pointing him out, cause he was the only one of like his stuff and he was like you just like read me for filth, though. Like literally everything that you said was so accurate, like the things that you mentioned were related to things that I've like literally worked on, like consciously on myself, to like be in the higher expression of these things and like not. He didn't use those words, obviously, because that's very like human design, but he was like I just could not believe how accurate it was and he was like, and also I feel like the way you explained it was very like practical and simplified, but also empowering.
Speaker 2:Sometimes human design can be like kind of explained in a way that it's like not so empowering and people can have experiences where they like don't like systems like this because it makes them feel like put in a box that they don't necessarily like. Yeah, but yeah, it was funny. It was a lot of younger guys on his team that were like, or they were saying, I didn't really see it in myself, but everything you said about everybody else was spot on. So, like, I'm obviously not the only person that's like the exception to the rule, so it actually made me be like, oh, I guess, like I do have these qualities, obviously. Exactly the point like to help people see themselves more clearly and other people on the team see them clearly, and then have the strategies to like actually work together efficiently and just avoid all those pitfalls of where we're just expecting everyone else to function the same way we do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I think, like, like. So, when it comes to, let's say, like authority within, like a business setting, how do you like marry like the sacral in the emotional, or like the splenic and the emotional like? How do we, you know, with like deadlines and stuff like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So with emotional kind of, the biggest thing that I say is the like giving yourself at least some time like obviously it's ideal to sleep on it. The other thing that I find and I can speak to this because I have emotional authority is even now that I've been doing all this work on getting in touch with my emotions and human design, I don't have like a super great grasp on when I'm like neutral, high Like I for so much of my life being like I don't have like a super great grasp on when I'm like neutral, high like I, for so much of my life being like I'm fine, I don't have any emotions. And I think for emotional authorities it can almost be easier to do that because you they're always there. It's this undercurrent of like emotional noise that you're used to dealing with, whereas when you're undefined, like somebody else's emotions like hit you in the face and you like kind of almost can't not feel like abruptly, like feeling them. So I also found that that this is a little off topic, but that is something that's really helpful.
Speaker 2:When I'm working with men or with people in a more corporate space that lots of times have the tendency to be the way that I was they really resonate with that kind of description of like they're just being this like emotional undercurrent, that they're kind of just like not touching and that like, if you're kind of not and again, even when you're trying and working on it it takes time to like build back that like understanding of where your emotions are, Just giving yourself any amount of time and playing hard to get in any way with a decision, whether it be like literally two hours, Because I think, like you said, especially with an undefined route paired with that, it's like this email came through.
Speaker 2:I need to answer immediately. And the other thing I said too is like you know, if you trust your partner on the team that has sacral authority, defer to them sometimes Like test out kind of the dynamics of your team, Some people will have a more trustworthy gut reaction and other people, when they need more time, maybe somebody else can kind of take the reins on something, if that's appropriate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes so much sense. Do you feel like people who say that they don't resonate with aspects of it? Is it primarily their unconscious parts that they're not resonating with?
Speaker 2:So I have not. So I find that with the profile numbers that the second number people sometimes don't see in themselves and other people do. But when it comes to more, just like in general, like gates and stuff like that, I feel like that stuff is so much about the way you're conditioned, like if your whole life's been telling you like, oh, you're so nurturing and gate 27 happens to be unconscious for you, like you just are picking that up from a condition standpoint. I always mention that in readings with people, but lots I don't really see any like significant correlation except the profile numbers that people always really see their first number and really sees their second number.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense, cause that second one, I feel like I mean even with I mean I don't know, I think it's maybe it's different with the six three specifically because like for 30 years I was operating as a three three so I was like really resonant with that third line. I almost felt like it was harder to like connect with the six line. But then again the six line, I don't know, it's like I do resonate with it because there is an element of perfectionist with it where you're like you want to look a certain way and sometimes it's hard to have the vulnerability of like I fucked things up again or like I dropped the ball or I didn't finish that thing or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:It becomes harder to express that, but yeah, whatever it is, right it became. It becomes like harder to like kind of express that, but yeah, I can, that makes total sense, like having that second line. That's really harder to see. And I think, like with astrology, to kind of going back to even the beginning you were talking about not resonating with your Pisces sun and I think, like our sun sign in human or in astrology, it's like everybody like hears about the sun sign and you know all of our, of course, everybody reads their horoscopes for their sun sign and stuff like that. But like the sun is actually like who you're growing to be, so a lot of people don't resonate with their sun, because it's like you're learning to embody that energy through your rising, through your moon, through your life experiences, right, and then that kind of like brings you full circle back to that energy and so it's like being you know I'm, I have a Taurus sun and like now at 38, I'm like I can see how like Taurus I am, but also like I have a Leo moon and Leo rising, so like the dramatics and the, the, I feel like those two paired to have a lot of like luxurious, like I love luxury, I love pampering myself and things like that, and that was actually like hard for me to. I think that was more of a subconscious thing where I was like I can't want those things, but it's just. It is kind of.
Speaker 1:I think sometimes when people say that like well, I don't really resonate with my son or whatever, but that's why there's so many nuances to it and you can go so deep with it because it's like okay, well, is your son conjunct Neptune? Is it making? Or opposite Neptune, is it making hard for you to even see those qualities in yourself. So I don't know, there's so much to it, but it's so interesting, like the depth, that you can go with it to think that it's just like I'm a Pisces sun and that's it. Or you know I'm an MG and that's it.
Speaker 2:It's like there's so much A hundred percent, and like when I kind of reflect on, my big three is the Pisces stuff, cause I have basically all my planets are pretty much in Pisces or Sag. So everything, each other, and then the Taurus rising and North node. So I definitely have a lot of like that, but I really identify with the Sag and I again, it's the moon, so it's your internal world, it's I've got a lot.
Speaker 2:I have Mars there and like other things that obviously other people would experience. But I also think that that energy was rewarded growing up Like I'm you know, I'm like a go-getter and I'm optimistic and like I like to have fun with things and like all of that that fire, energy, that passion, like the philosophical stuff, like all of that. And then what I kind of like shut down was like the emotions no-transcript, and you're not actually dealing with the current emotional experience.
Speaker 1:You're replacing it with something else, like something that's more optimistic, and so it could be hard to like actually connect with it and pause and be like, okay, this might not feel great, let's just sit here for a minute, right, um, so that you know that's an energy that goes in there too, and it's just, it's so interesting.
Speaker 2:But you would like on me, because I feel sometimes I'll breeze past things that are not I don't like, because I'm like okay, well, it's not fun to like not be having fun, so let's lock this down and like start having fun again, like the way that that always works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the moon sign is so interesting because it's like it is our inner world, it's the way we're experiencing ourself, you know, and so like, for me, I have a Leo moon and I for so long, like Leo is just, leo is dramatic, it wants to be seen, and I like now I noticed that with my emotions, where I like I have an emotion and I'm like, but like I just want to tell you about it, like let's talk about it. It's like it's so fiery and like so passionate, right. But like when I was younger, that wasn't like okay, right, like it was sort of like oh, rochelle's in a mood again and Rochelle's this, and it's like nobody intentionally wanted to make me feel that way, but like my entire family is undefined emotionally as well. So, so for me to come in with a Leo moon and a defined solar plexus, it's like it wasn't understood and so it kind of felt weird. So I suppressed that for a long time.
Speaker 1:But, like you said, in childhood we tend to repeat the things that got us receiving love and we reject all the rest of it, and I think that's the challenging part of adulthood is then having to re incorporate those things and accept those and embrace those parts of ourselves. And again, going back to you know, human design, astrology and that's the most beautiful gift and tool of these systems is like, because I remember when I looked at mine and I was like same thing, my profile was like the thing for me that I was like six, three makes so much sense, like all the trial and error and all the failures and like, oh my gosh, going from one thing to the next and being a manifesting generator and always hearing that you just quit too easily. You just quit these things and you're onto the next thing. You have so many, you know. It's like kind of how we're designed to be, but it's like learning that and reframing it.
Speaker 2:So Agree, I mean, these systems are so like so useful for those reasons, because, again, it's like all of that blanket advice that you hear kind of at the beginning of a like self-development journey is like just be yourself, and it's like okay if I knew how to do? Am I, I would be doing it? Yeah, exactly, I don't know what that is. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, as more time passes, how much more I'm like seeing the elements of my chart that didn't make sense to me originally in myself, because I'm becoming more myself like, as I'm kind of like working through things but without having insight, like that. I mean, that's why I love this system to share it with people, Cause I'm like otherwise it just feels like no advice is right. Give blanket advice Cause everybody is so different. And then it's kind of like, yeah, it just it's so grounding to have like actual information. And the beauty of it is that even if you're off track, it's so much of it resonates that it gives you the trust that, like, even the pieces that aren't resonating at the moment are ultimately your truth. They're just not like ready to be embodied at this moment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I think, like you know, the seven year decommissioning process, I know in the beginning of my journey I was like, ah, I'll do it in like two, I'll beat the system, Right. But it's like, kind of like, as you, you know, like you said in the beginning of your journey, you hear all these things and it's so confusing Cause it's like, oh, I just need to be authentic and I need to be myself. And you're like but who is that? Right? And I think that as you like go through the system and like, as you learn and grow, it's like it reveals itself to you in layers where then you'll it's like something won't make sense and then it'll click. You're like, oh, I get it Right, like I got it. But then it's like, then this other aspect comes in. You're like, okay, well, now how do I integrate that? And so it just becomes like this little, like not game, but it's just. It's kind of cool the way that it starts to show up and the way that you can begin to process and integrate and it really does Like I think I don't know how long I was in my journey, maybe like three years where I was like okay, I get why this takes so long because, like, we can't see everything at once, it's just not possible.
Speaker 1:We have to go through. We have to like accept our son, we have to accept our moon, our moon gate, we have to accept our authority. Like there are all these pieces to it that you know after seven years and you can be like, okay, you know, like maybe like settle in, cause I found, I found a human design, I think in 2019 as well Right, so it's like coming up to what? Six years, almost like six years of the system. So I'm like I'm almost there, but then I'm like, but I'm not. I feel like there's so much more to like learn about, like growth and life and stuff, but like I'm a vastly like different person than I was when I first came into this, like I feel so much more confident, so much more myself, even though there's still ways to go.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent and I think that's just kind of like I actually forgot even about that whole seven year thing.
Speaker 2:I mean it does make so much sense. I feel like, when you also think of like Saturn, like you know, like cycles, but yeah, it's like everything just feels like a lifetime and I feel like a lot of what I've kind of been coming back to from, like other things I've been learning from, is that, like, lots of times you can feel like you're coming back to the same, like core issues, like for me, let's say, like perfectionism, like, and I'll be like, how am I here again? Like I thought we worked on this, but you realize that it's like you're in this like upward spiral, like you're always going to. It's like the things you came here to learn. You're just learning over and over again, like different layers of understanding, like you're different each time you approach them and it just feels different every time. And not to make ourselves wrong for the fact that, like our shit is our shit and it's going to keep showing up, just in a new flavor for us to continue, like moving on to the next step of like that growth and evolution.
Speaker 1:So, what's your um earth uh gate.
Speaker 2:Uh, so I'm 63 64, so this is the other thing. It's so interesting is that I'm the only pisces gate. That's logical. Yeah, it makes total sense like I'm a very logical person.
Speaker 2:So like that is the other thing that I think is so cool about human design is like there is just this like layer of, like it's just a touch more, something that's always spoken to me, but I thought that, like every other Pisces gates emotional, I'm pretty sure Like well, that makes complete sense. And then, like me being so in my head is those two head gates and an undefined head. So it's like I think it's gifts, are like living up there, but I'm like supposed to be in my body. So it's like finding that balance is something that's like a big thing that I'm working on currently, but, yeah, so that that earth gate is, you know, something that's supposed to round me, which I mean that whole concept of kind of the like it's. It doesn't make sense like walk the path and it will make sense as you go.
Speaker 2:I feel like there's also so much like the energy of like a three line, like it's so cool too, I feel like in human design how it's like there are so many different parts of the chart that can give you similar flavors, but where they live is like what makes it like so unique and nuanced. It's like the manifesting generator is like the type version of what a third profile line is Like. There's certain things that are give you like different flavors, and I think that's the other reason why I just love like working with people individually, cause it's so nuanced. Like obviously I love doing like the group things but individual, or even like a smaller group, or like really going in on their dynamics together. Like really being able to go into the nuance of people's charts is where I feel like people's minds are like super blown, versus just hearing. Like you know, you're a manifesting generator.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think that's where there's so much beauty in that too, when you work with like couples. Or if you work with couples like, how, how does that look in like helping them understand each other? I know like the basics and things like that, but like how, how like deeper, like nuance do you get with that?
Speaker 2:So I haven't worked with any couples like together. Um, sometimes people who I'm working with individually will like bring in other members of their family kind of thing, like their kids or something like that. But typically the biggest things again is the centers is like always the first place I go to for any kind of like mutual understanding type things, because that I have found is like always the biggest, like same thing with like the parent, children stuff or like even in the work settings it's it becomes like really clear, especially the emotional center, because I just think for those undefined emotionals that feel everyone else is feeling in such a magnified way when they just understand that that's like not the reality of how somebody else is feeling, whatever the dynamic is like, that is one of the biggest things that I think can just like change the game. I know in my marriage that's made a really big difference When's undefined and he's married to someone who's not very in touch with their emotions, like what is wrong with you and I'm like I'm fine, I don't understand what the problem is because I'm like barely even registering anything and he's like super feeling it. So something that I feel like has been really significant.
Speaker 2:The other thing I think is really cool to look at when I'll work with half the couple is the like electromagnetic so where they each have half of a channel and it comes to half of a half of a channel and then it comes together to make a channel. That can be really interesting. Just to know it's cool to see that, like typically when people are in a romantic type relationship, there is a bunch of those kinds of things, because that explains kind of like the attraction. Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:And then if there are certain channels that are created that they could be really feeling so, like if you create an emotional wave together, that's something that's like really good to know because that's something that you can kind of work with. So I would say those are like some of the big and then authority.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Giving people the space to make a decision.
Speaker 1:Yeah them. One question that I got and I like I don't know that I've ever read this answer anywhere, but I would just be curious, like, what your response would be to it. But she, so somebody asked me, she's undefined emotionally, her friend or I don't know if it's a significant other, but the other person is undefined emotionally. And then they create the defined solar plexus, Right? So she was like, does that mean that we have to ride of a wave of emotions, like together, Like, and I was like I like I don't know that I've ever like I know that they're creating the defined solar plexus within their dynamics, right, One plus one equals three, so that third like energy that they're creating is defined. But then it's like do they, like, in making decisions together, have to use emotional authority or are they just using their own sacral authorities to come together? So it was such an interesting question.
Speaker 2:Yes. So it would be kind of the same as, like, if you're working with transits I don't know if you've heard that so it's like you're feeling the energy of that wave, but your design is always your design. So still, even though you're feeling that emotional wave, it's not going to cloud your sacral, like your sacral is still always going to be trustworthy for you. You're just going to feel a surge of emotions that you're kind of like this didn't come from anywhere, because nothing it's not reactionary, like what most emotions are. So it's just kind of having that awareness of I can experience a wave out of like quote unquote, nowhere, just because we're together, but it doesn't mean that it's gonna cloud my sacral and I need to like take on the rules of emotional authority yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting too. I mean just like within relationship dynamics, because I think that human design and like astrology have helped so much. I mean just like it, like you said, with you and your husband, like just like understanding another human being, um, especially like like being with a reflector, cause he's a three, six. So we actually have that commonality with. I'm a six, three, he's a three, six, right.
Speaker 1:But I've noticed there's a lot of clashing between his conscious third line and my unconscious third line. He wants chaos, like actively, consciously wants chaos, and I'm like, no, I just want peace. Why are we constantly doing this? But then with my dramatic emotions he's so in tune with them. But then he has a Capricorn moon which I think allows him to step back and not so much take them in. He knows He'll be like what's wrong and I'm like nothing. You know what I mean. He's very attuned to all the nuances of my energy. It's really interesting. But then sometimes I mean, like he's very attuned to all the nuances of my energy, it's really interesting, right. And then so that's what. But then sometimes I get mad when, like he doesn't notice something. It's like I know, you feel it. I know you feel it. You just don't want to have the conversation right now. That's all that is.
Speaker 2:I mean, it must be so healing in a sense to grow up in a house where it felt like you were too, your emotions were too much, and now you're with technically the most like sensitive line and he can handle it. Yeah, so that I'd be like doing a ton of things for your subconscious.
Speaker 1:So like honestly, it really is to feel like like I this is one of the things I appreciate so much Like I there's, I think within any relationship, you're always gonna be frustrated. There's always going to be things that, like you're annoyed with or just like that irritate you or whatever. But like I will say, like I have never once in if we've been like it's been over a year, but like never once have I ever felt gaslit, never once have I ever felt like my emotions were too much. Like like the the worst thing that he's ever done that irritates me is like sometimes, if I'm like in an emotional state and I start crying, then he'll be like if we're on the phone, he'll be like well, like, deal with that, and then call me back.
Speaker 1:I'm like no, but like I think it's more just that the Capricorn moon, like I think it just doesn't quite know what to do with it and I think men want to solve instead of being there with you for it. You know, instead of being there with you for it. You know, like obviously, if we're in person, like he doesn't leave the room or anything like that, but like but yeah, it's just so interesting. And in that 28 day, like lunar cycle, is incredibly frustrating, but it also helps me lean more into my emotional authority, because it's like having to wait. I don't want to wait.
Speaker 2:He's working with his energy as far as being a reflector.
Speaker 1:For the most part, yeah, and that's what I love too. It's like I love meeting people who are living out their design without even knowing what it is Right. They're just, they're just so in like, maybe just more attuned to their body, right or just, or had the support in childhood, maybe they were just more seen or, you know, maybe a parent did more work on themselves. I don't know. It's just really interesting to see people that, and I think, like everybody lives out an element of it, whether they're conscious or not right, and it's probably more that unconscious, that maybe they're not even aware of right, that they're living out just because it's just, you know, like running on autopilot. It just is what it is.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's so interesting I wonder too, when you were saying about the chaos, like it kind of feels like also the reflector like surprise thing, like he doesn't want everything to be too settled, almost no he doesn't.
Speaker 1:We've had that conversation before and I'm just like, because sometimes like we're so different, like I don't know how it could work right, and he's like, but opposites attract and it's not nothing like yeah, I get it, but sometimes I'm like I've that's where I guess I don't know like I've've been through, like my trauma comes from relationships, and so I think sometimes I'm activated in that way of remembering and it's like I don't want to be in that place anymore, like I've done so much work to come here. And then he's not doing it intentionally to be malicious or like anything. He just I think he just that's just part of who he is, right, like he wants novelty and and he wants to do exciting things. And you know, and I think sometimes like we'll create that. You know, and I know my trauma has me creating drama sometimes, right, because it's just like if we're not having heightened emotions, sometimes it feels like there's no actual connection and so but I'm like, but I'm also so aware of that, right, so it's like, like you said, it's it's activating a lot, it's reflecting a lot, but it's also like challenging at the same time.
Speaker 1:But that's I mean, I think again, like I think this way. Everybody should know this. But I should know human design and astrology and like be able to utilize this in their relationships, because sometimes we just like and also I will say like I've dated people before that I've I like have studied so much there, cause anytime I'm like reading something new or any book or whatever, I'm always studying the charts of people I'm with or like my family and like, just so I can understand it. But there are some people who I felt like I've known them better through their chart than what they were showing me and I'm like I know that you're not being like authentic, but then I'm like I have to let people teach me Right and not just be like assuming I know you because I've seen your chart may never fully come into themselves, you know like maybe it's just their journey.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. Yeah, I think, and that again is like the cool part of human design, I find, is that there's still always just enough that's going to resonate, that someone's always going to find the information useful if they're not and I think that's the other part is like a reader where you can kind of like gauge what they're going to, like how far you're're gonna go in terms of like the woo-woo, evolved expression of things versus like the super practical. But yeah, I think it's so true. I mean, we came here obviously with that design as we're meant to live, but basically everything we encounter between now and when we learn about our human design pretty much tells us we should be something different in some capacity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so true. How do you just like out of curiosity, like how do you approach businesses when you're pitching like human design?
Speaker 2:So like the people that I'm working with now, they're three co-founders, so kind of the way that I explain it is I feel like a lot of people now in a corporate setting too are like very familiar with like Myers-Briggs and Enneagram. So that's like kind of my like in to be like oh, you see the value in like these, like personality typing things. But the issue with those is that they require you to be able to see yourself clearly because they're self-assessed. But typically, you know, like Joe in accounting that's driving everyone crazy is not going to see himself clearly. So even if we go through this whole process and have this like you know, workshop based on something that somebody saw in themselves, it's not going to have the desired impact because it's not cutting to the core of like what's really happening in a certain situation. So that's kind of how I explain the birth time thing in a way that makes people be on board with it if they're like free of how I explain the birth time thing in a way that makes people be on board with it if they're like three because I'm like a, you don't have to spend hours answering a bunch of questions but also be like the results are what they are and people can choose to say that they don't resonate with them, obviously, but I've never really found that that's the case gonna actually help us have a more productive session.
Speaker 2:Um, and then also just I I mean businesses, like corporate teams. It's a lot about like communication, efficiency, decision-making. I mean like I found some statistic that it was like 98% of like issues at work are because of a miscommunication. So like if you understand the right way to speak to somebody else based on their design, like that obviously makes like such a huge difference. And then, if you know you go like the entrepreneurship way I love working with like the Mercury gate, as far as like the core of your message is like your Mercury.
Speaker 2:So there's just like so many, depending on what kind of business it is, if it's like a team dynamic situation versus like a individual who's just trying to get their business going or whatever that may be there's just like endless. You know, even looking at the line of the unconscious Jupiter is like you're meant to work alone, you're meant to be in a partnership, like the layers are just endless. And I just find myself, even when I'm having, like I was having a catch up with someone a couple of weeks ago and she was saying how she's working with a partner right now but it's frustrating and she just feels like she wants to be able to do her own thing. And I'm like I'm just going to like, quick, pull up your chart and I'm like, well, yeah, you have like a 0.1 after your unconscious Jupiter, like you're meant to work autonomously, like it's going to feel uncomfortable and like you can, obviously in certain situations, but there's a reason you're feeling that pull to do it by yourself, like that's within you just all those little nuances.
Speaker 2:But yeah, with with the businesses, it's again kind of just like endless, depending on, like, what they're looking for. So a lot of it is like very like catered, I guess, is the word I'm looking for. Like it's very specific to whatever the person's like really looking to get out of it, whatever they're dealing with their company's dealing with. It's like the, I mean, you know, like the options are endless for, like the way that it can help you.
Speaker 2:So it's better, if you're not doing just like the basics, to have like something specific, because then you can really go into like the little minutiae that like touch on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it. I love that businesses are now like open to you know, having somebody come in and talk about human design, because, yeah, it's just, it's so powerful.
Speaker 2:And like the, the three co-founders that I'm working with my husband actually connected me with them and there are three men and I feel like previous to that, I was always like I work with women and I'm so happy that that just like happened, because I think there's just kind of something like very I don't know touching about like men who want to like understand themselves better and be kind to each other. Like there's just something heartwarming about it, that like we're all moving in that direction and yeah, there's just kind of a different energy to like I mean, I love working with my girls obviously that's still the majority of the people I work with but I'm just so happy that that kind of like happened by accident. Otherwise I like feel like maybe I would have just cut that off when it's like such a fulfilling dynamic. Also.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree, I also primarily work with women, but I've worked with a few men. One was like an engineer and he was super left brain, so like I mean, he was like a quad left, I think, and we were like going through design and it was like every single thing I said there was like a question. It was like it was like confronting to me Cause like oh my gosh, so I had to work through like my imposter syndrome in the moment, but like afterwards he was like wow, that was like amazing. I was like oh my gosh, I didn't know what, and so it makes sense that like you would approach it that way. But also like I just loved the.
Speaker 1:It was such a different session, you know, and and and, even like on the podcast, like I didn't interview men for the longest time and then I started interviewing men and I was like, oh, men are actually like they're not easier, it's just different, right that what they come here to talk about, they're also kind of more like they know, like you know, like I'll ask is there anything? Cause I'm just free flowing with a conversation, like I barely even take notes or whatever, but like I always tell people like is there anything specific you want to talk about? And like I swear every single man that comes on when we have that conversation like is there anything you want to talk about? Or like whatever? And they're just like well, like, they want to touch on this, this and this right like allows me to like guide within my fluidness, but it's just yeah, they're just uh, it's just different, but it's, it's good, it's interesting yeah, yeah, it is, it's.
Speaker 2:It's been fun like to let again and I think that's the beauty of like the 3-5, the manifesting generator Like there's definitely been points in the process where I'm like you should be, you should have a niche, you should figure this out. Like I always kind of have these moments where I'm like wait, where's the niche? Like I'm not doing this right kind of thing and I can really get myself, you know, doubting and all up in the head, but it's like, again, this system helps me be like no, actually, for a manifesting generator, a niche is like the most uncomfortable thing. Verse three it's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:Like so many parts of me are not about like pigeonholing myself into one thing, so it's just cool when, like all of these experiences again like validate that Like I'm always kind of when I work with people too, they're like you're so good at confirming that I'm already doing the thing or pointing out how I'm doing it, so I can like see, like oh, that's me living out my like 12, 22 channel or whatever the thing may be, because I feel like sometimes we can have a hard time like equating these concepts to like our lived experience, and I'm always trying to be like this? Is you being in alignment by like this activity kind of?
Speaker 2:thing and like round it more, so I'm always trying to remind myself to like good job being a three today.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, it's part of the part of the process, part of the purpose. Yeah Well, this has been. It's been so interesting. Is there anything that you feel like maybe we didn't talk about, that you wanted to touch on, or anything that you just want to leave people with?
Speaker 2:I feel like we touched on so many of my favorite things.
Speaker 2:So that, um, yeah, and I think the big thing is just kind of what we were saying about like you can get lost in, and I did this in wanting to know like every single thing, like, and I do think that there's something to like getting into the deeper layers, like learning about the gates and stuff like that, but it's almost like letting yourself like read about it once and play around with stuff a little bit and like not get lost in the learning, like really making sure that you're like okay, how is this showing up in my life and how can I actually like work with this energy and make this like something practical that helps me, even if it's just from a like mental standpoint of me being like okay, like I'm going to be out here threeing it regardless, like I don't know how not to do that, but I would have been really hard on myself in the past working out and now I can just be like this is part of the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think that kind of like using it practically and then also just as a tool for compassion along the way, so we're like nicer to ourselves in the process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and I think, even like Ross says, like this is designed for self-love you know what I mean Like it's really to help you see those parts of yourself, even though he delivered it in such like a logical, harsh way. But it really is like huh, that's funny.
Speaker 1:I've never heard that. Yeah, there's something I can't remember. There's like a in one of the books or something. There's a quote from him that's talking about self-love and I'm like that's, that's pretty funny, but but, uh, but it really is like you know, it's just helping you see yourself, and I think that's that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:And I also, like, when I first learned, like I learned, like I bought the same book, the definitive book, and I was like looking, I think it's around me somewhere. But like I went hard, like fast, and it was like, yeah, it was like all this logic, and I think that's where human design is. I think that, because it is kind of logic based, you can approach it that way. But, like, for me, I just got overwhelmed. I was like, okay, I have all this information, but I can't like apply it, like I don't know how to use it, and it's like I had to step back for a while and just like kind of live my own experience and just like let it happen.
Speaker 1:And then, like I came back to the system after that Cause I was like, oh, okay, like it's more of conversations with people, you know how it appears for you and we can have this like back and forth, and I think in the beginning it was like I just want to teach everybody as much as I could, you know, and like it would be like just me packing and everything at the end being like, do you have any questions? And they're just like overwhelmed Right. And I learned like that's not, that's not that's where like, but that teacher in me, right, that's why I had to create a program where I was teaching human design to fulfill that part of it, right. And then everything else is more, just not that.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, exactly Makes total sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how can everybody work with you where they can find?
Speaker 2:you and I'll leave it in the show notes as well, so they can just go click it too. Yeah, so I have my Instagram. I'm at Nicole Gwenna. There is kind of where I like let myself real, just like, mg it up Like there's not really a niche, I'm just saying whatever I can also share my. I'll share my website too. It's NicoleGwennaConsultingcom. That's where you can get kind of more of the flavor of that like um, more like business team dynamics type focus. It's more of that um logical career terminology, um. So those, depending on what you're looking for, would be good places to connect with me.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, thank you so much for coming on and having a conversation with me today.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I had so much fun me too.